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Old 01-23-2014, 02:21 PM   #21
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Bill Simmons begs to differ.

I don't know if you're being serious comparing yourself to college basketball players at USC. If you are please don't even bother responding because you're delusional.
Please then enlighten me on what this team does well from a fundamentals standpoint. Do we box out well? No. Do we communicate well on offense and defense? No. Do we take care of the ball? No. Do we have goofball movement on offense? No. Can we hit free throws? No.

Until we can do the basics well, you can't expect improvement.
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Please then enlighten me on what this team does well from a fundamentals standpoint. Do we box out well? No. Do we communicate well on offense and defense? No. Do we take care of the ball? No. Do we have goofball movement on offense? No. Can we hit free throws? No.

Until we can do the basics well, you can't expect improvement.
With your vast church league experience, I probably stand no chance of teaching you anything.
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With your vast church league experience, I probably stand no chance of teaching you anything.
I'm a decent athlete but no where near what it takes to play at a higher level. I understand the ins and outs of basketball very well though.

So man up and quit dodging the question... what part of my breakdown of the fundamentals am I wrong on? Teach me oh "wise one"..
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Brenton had 2 turnovers. Probably ought to look at stats before posting. Thornwell had 5 by the way.
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Please then enlighten me on what this team does well from a fundamentals standpoint. Do we box out well? No. Do we communicate well on offense and defense? No. Do we take care of the ball? No. Do we have goofball movement on offense? No. Can we hit free throws? No.

Until we can do the basics well, you can't expect improvement.
First of all I disagreed with you about the secret formula to winning. I'm not getting into that, you can read The Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons if you really want become knowledgeable about the game.

As far as your analysis of the fundamentals, I do believe you should look at statistics and understand a thing called chemistry before running your mouth.

We have outrebounded 2/3 of our opponents this season, so I'd say that while rebounding could improve, it's not our worst problem this season.

Chemistry is something that develops on a team over time. I have seen the team come together and play great ball. Obviously chemistry depends on leadership and losing Ty Johnson hurt the team chemistry.

Turnovers.. yeah that's a problem... again that could be due to inexperience and lack of development. People want to say Brenton turns it over too much, but Thornwell was the problem against UGA.

Goofball movement on offense? I see us move with purpose on offense which is something I didn't see with Horn around. I don't really understand what you mean by goofball movement. I see us set picks and swing the ball around. I see us trying to drive to the hoop. I would say no to the goofball movement.

Can we hit free throws? We make 69% of our free throws. That's essentially 7 out of 10. Most teams are shooting right around 70% from the stripe. I'd argue that we are an average team at the free throw line, not that we can't shoot them.
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It doesn't matter
LOL yeah what could you possibly say to that proof.

You should actually apologize for bringing the IQ of the board down with your lack of actually knowing what happened in the game or willingness to even look at the numbers.
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First of all I disagreed with you about the secret formula to winning. I'm not getting into that, you can read The Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons if you really want become knowledgeable about the game.

As far as your analysis of the fundamentals, I do believe you should look at statistics and understand a thing called chemistry before running your mouth.

We have outrebounded 2/3 of our opponents this season, so I'd say that while rebounding could improve, it's not our worst problem this season.

Chemistry is something that develops on a team over time. I have seen the team come together and play great ball. Obviously chemistry depends on leadership and losing Ty Johnson hurt the team chemistry.

Turnovers.. yeah that's a problem... again that could be due to inexperience and lack of development. People want to say Brenton turns it over too much, but Thornwell was the problem against UGA.

Goofball movement on offense? I see us move with purpose on offense which is something I didn't see with Horn around. I don't really understand what you mean by goofball movement. I see us set picks and swing the ball around. I see us trying to drive to the hoop. I would say no to the goofball movement.

Can we hit free throws? We make 69% of our free throws. That's essentially 7 out of 10. Most teams are shooting right around 70% from the stripe. I'd argue that we are an average team at the free throw line, not that we can't shoot them.
I meant to say good ball movement, but was on my phone so the auto correct got me.
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I meant to say good ball movement, but was on my phone so the auto correct got me.
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It doesn't matter
Yeah right. Actually I don't really care about the numbers. I watched the game and Williams took ill advised shots and had his shot blocked a couple times. I just don't like his game. I'm sure he's a good kid but I would rather see the freshmen get those minutes. He's not going pro anyway. BTW, thornwell will be playing in the NBA in a couple years. So I don't care what you think. I apologize for people having to read your comments on statistics
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LOL yeah what could you possibly say to that proof.

You should actually apologize for bringing the IQ of the board down with your lack of actually knowing what happened in the game or willingness to even look at the numbers.
When you are a senior and make bad decisions at the most crucial times in a game, that doesn't show up in the numbers. A smart high IQ person like yourself should know that
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When you are a senior and make bad decisions at the most crucial times in a game, that doesn't show up in the numbers. A smart high IQ person like yourself should know that
Why thank you for the compliment!

I also don't see what bad decision he made at the end of the games. He tried to call time out at the end of the Auburn game but the ref decided it wasn't necessary to call it. I saw Brenton make the potential game saving steal in that game.

I saw Brenton connect on 4-7 threes. I saw Brenton only turn the ball over 2 times to Thornwell's 5.

I see Brenton make his free throws. You don't care about the numbers because they prove your opinion wrong, which makes you just plain ignorant. It also helps me to realize that after this, there is no reason for me to even discuss basketball with you because you are willfully ignorant to stats, reason, and logic. Thanks!
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Points do count, not everyone needs to play defense. You need scorers and stppers. Not many are both. Brenton did a great job, he just couldnt rely on the bigs to make stops.
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Points do count, not everyone needs to play defense. You need scorers and stppers. Not many are both. Brenton did a great job, he just couldnt rely on the bigs to make stops.
He is not good enough of a scorer to make up for his awful defense. He only averages 11 points per game he is not some king of prolific player.
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He is not good enough of a scorer to make up for his awful defense. He only averages 11 points per game he is not some king of prolific player.
Where do you come up with this stuff?

His ORtg outweighs his DRtg which throws your assessment completely out the window!
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With your vast church league experience, I probably stand no chance of teaching you anything.
Cockpantherfan, don't worry about this guys bs. He kind of reminds me of a media (Ron Morris type of guy). Every post he makes is to contradict people in a sarcastic manner. He thinks he knows everything about basketball. My guess is with your church league experience, you could get out on the court and beat this big talker one on one. Stats don't always tell the whole story of the game. Intangibles, momentum and timely plays don't show up in the stats but are a major factor in who wins a game. Hopefully some of the people on here can respect comments and not see every post as an opportunity to use their extremely humorous sarcasm. That's why I rarely post on this site. Internet tough guys are the worst.
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Where do you come up with this stuff?

His ORtg outweighs his DRtg which throws your assessment completely out the window!
Does it? Because his defensive rating is = sucks and his offensive rating is = meh..
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For the sake of our fans, I hope this team gets it together soon.
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Does it? Because his defensive rating is = sucks and his offensive rating is = meh..
It is what it is, but who would you rather have out there? Brenton or Steele?
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Where do you come up with this stuff?

His ORtg outweighs his DRtg which throws your assessment completely out the window!
Get out of here with your lame saber metrics. You know who uses saber metrics? People with no experience playing sports so they try and use formulas to cover things up.

Those metrics don't account for hustle or boxing out or anything like that. Gotta do the fundamentals first and then build on that.
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Cockpantherfan, don't worry about this guys bs. He kind of reminds me of a media (Ron Morris type of guy). Every post he makes is to contradict people in a sarcastic manner. He thinks he knows everything about basketball. My guess is with your church league experience, you could get out on the court and beat this big talker one on one. Stats don't always tell the whole story of the game. Intangibles, momentum and timely plays don't show up in the stats but are a major factor in who wins a game. Hopefully some of the people on here can respect comments and not see every post as an opportunity to use their extremely humorous sarcasm. That's why I rarely post on this site. Internet tough guys are the worst.
I'm not sweating him at all.. I know his type.
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