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Old 01-25-2014, 02:19 AM   #81
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Good teams often have a best player or two and they score a lot of points and the other teams just can't stop, kind of like how we just can stop anyone.
Yeah but it isn't necessarily the PG and when it is, he uses that to dish it and get assists. Being last in assists is a key indicator of lack of ball distribution and team play
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Yeah but it isn't necessarily the PG and when it is, he uses that to dish it and get assists. Being last in assists is a key indicator of lack of ball distribution and team play
We are actually tied for 6th in APG in the SEC. So I don't know what you're referring to being last...
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We are actually tied for 6th in APG in the SEC. So I don't know what you're referring to being last...
We have been in years past, also if you watch games, we are a lot better in the half court than we have been in years past. Idk why so many fans are acting like this is the worst team ever, they are so much easier to watch than the previous two or three
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Was against the Martin hire from day 1 for this very reason.

We knew he wasn't going to win in the first couple years but we knew his personality wasn't going to change.

Now that people are growing tired of his personality, he is still losing, creating a bad situation for the program.

A different hire...any hire...would have more support across the board from the fans at this point, but since Martin has that personality, people are turning on him much sooner.

Not good for this program, and I'm afraid it will not end well.
What are you talking about? The Martin hire has a ton of support. He's a great coach and had a ton of success at Kansas State.

I did think we could win more games given how bad the SEC is this year, but the reality is that we are depending on a ton of freshmen and sophomores and don't have the talent/experience/leadership to win right now. This is Martin's 1st season with players he recruited. Last year's team had 7 Darrin Horn recruits who clearly didn't fit his playing style.

It takes years to rebuild a college basketball program. Look at Dawn Staley's first 3 years. Bet you were ready to run her out the city too. She's so good that she can reject an offer from Ohio State now.
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It's going to take another year or two at least to get to decent, it will take another year or 5 after that to actually contend. I think Martin will be around for a while if he doesn't lose his patience.
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Yeah but it isn't necessarily the PG and when it is, he uses that to dish it and get assists. Being last in assists is a key indicator of lack of ball distribution and team play
I agree that lack of assists is the sign of a bad offense, but there are reasons why this problem exists: 1. Players that are not especially good at passing the basketball. 2. Not having post players that can finish ( explanation: If there is no finish, there is no assist. If we are not passing to some of our guys its because we have no confidence in them because they don't finish. We just put the ball in the hands of our players that have the scoring talent and let them do it by themselves. It sucks, but that is the best offensive strategy we have because our personnel.)

In other words, our supporting cast is not providing the necessary support we need. They need to start making the simple shots we are clanking and air balling otherwise this offense will never get anywhere.
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I agree that lack of assists is the sign of a bad offense, but there are reasons why this problem exists: 1. Players that are not especially good at passing the basketball. 2. Not having post players that can finish ( explanation: If there is no finish, there is no assist. If we are not passing to some of our guys its because we have no confidence in them because they don't finish. We just put the ball in the hands of our players that have the scoring talent and let them do it by themselves. It sucks, but that is the best offensive strategy we have because our personnel.)

In other words, our supporting cast is not providing the necessary support we need. They need to start making the simple shots we are clanking and air balling otherwise this offense will never get anywhere.
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The Martin hire has a ton of support.
Not really.

This fanbase is divided.

People really don't like Martin....at all.
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Not really.

This fanbase is divided.

People really don't like Martin....at all.
I like him. I think his style of coaching is good as well. I am sure I'm not the only one.
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Not really.

This fanbase is divided.

People really don't like Martin....at all.
Great coach, great guy. Cares about his players and would do anything for them. I like Martin. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean that "People really don't like Martin....at all."
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Not really.

This fanbase is divided.

People really don't like Martin....at all.
Total bullshit.
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Not really.

This fanbase is divided.

People really don't like Martin....at all.
Quit talkin out of your ass.
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I think the fan base is divided, big time. People do like him and a fair amount don't like him.

As I have said many times, I do not think he was the right hire. I am not sure Marshall would have been either, but I think Marshall's background for actually building a program would have been better than Martin's background.
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Not really.

This fanbase is divided.

People really don't like Martin....at all.
I love Martin
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it's apparent that Martin's passion gets the best of him sometimes, but I'd rather have a passionate coach that occasionally overdoes it (then recognizes and apologizes) than what we had prior to him. Martin's way eventually will build a strong, disciplined program when he has a full roster of players that respond to his passion and can execute relatively well. By definition though, underclassmen don't typically execute well. Two years from now we'll see how well Frank is working out. I'm betting his career at Carolina will closely track Dawn Staley's timeline.
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You say the fan base is divided, then say people don't like him at all.
Huh?
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I think the fan base is divided, big time. People do like him and a fair amount don't like him.

As I have said many times, I do not think he was the right hire. I am not sure Marshall would have been either, but I think Marshall's background for actually building a program would have been better than Martin's background.
I don't think the fanbase is divided anymore so than the last 15 years of stink. Again, look at the first couple of years with Dawn Staley. You have to give a BBall coach time to get into local AAU which takes a while.

On the Marshall point, he wanted WAY too much money to be considered, so he wasn't. Neither here nor there, but if he really wanted to be here, he would have had a chance. Let It Go.
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Let what go? I not a bring Marshall in guy, I said his background, program builder, is what was and is needed.

IMO under odom the fans were pretty united for the most part.
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I'm always going to say we should have paid Marshall
Nothing against Martin but Greg is a huge gamecock fan and loves the state it was his dream job @ one point
I don't think he would leave shocker town now
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I think the fan base is divided, big time. People do like him and a fair amount don't like him.

As I have said many times, I do not think he was the right hire. I am not sure Marshall would have been either, but I think Marshall's background for actually building a program would have been better than Martin's background.
Honestly, half our fan base doesn't even watch basketball. So their opinion is irrelevant because they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
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