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Old 01-22-2014, 03:28 PM   #41
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Coaching HS and College is different. Those are HS kids and these are adults, if they are old enough to vote, buy tobacco, and choose to defend this country then they should have the mental toughness to take a couple f bombs. Are we really debating an adult coach getting on to an Adult player using adult language in the heat of a sporting event?
Have most of these fans not heard our players talk..sitting on sidelines of HIGH SCHOOL basketball you hear plenty of F bombs and s hits and what not...these kids can take it. It is our soft, uppity never had a hard day in their lives, upper middle class, gated subdivison living woosies that are causing all the stink.
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Understood but how many Adults on here have I heard lose it in the Cock Pit around children? I'm guilty of it on occasion, does it clearly illustrate who I am as a person? No, Frank is having a tough time adjusting and building our program, just like Spurrier did at the beginning of his career here. Give him time, he should after a little while settle it down. He's no Bobby Knight and we all know how long Bobby lasted as a coach before he was run off.
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We have a lot of fans on the state's comment section that want Martin gone?
Idiotic.

Maybe Williams keeps getting chewed out because he plays weak ass defense.

I love his coaching style...these kids that signed knew what they were getting when they signed, and I'm guessing they come from programs that have this type of coaching.

And why do people act like Martin is the ONLY COACH who yells at his players?
Have they ever heard Coach K...or Huggins, or Petino, Donovan or Bobby Knight?
Sure, they may not be as visible (it is the Cuban temper) but I'd say more than 60 percent of D1A coaches yell at their players...Martin just has a reputation because his yelling is so much more visible.

And to the fans that want Martin gone, do any of them actually go to the games?
Give him a chance...it will take another year or two to fix the trainwreck Darrin Horn left.
Totally agree, great post. Let him coach
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His shtik is getting tired and if he doesn't start putting up some wins soon all his hissy fits will be his downfall

Whether you want to admit it or not, this stuff is exactly what opposing coaches play top recruits and their families to steer them away from playing for South Carolina.

He's not Bobby Knight, he never will be, he never can be because that was a different era so please stop making that comparison because it's completely invalid. In 1978 you could get away with doing that, in 2014 you can't, that's just the way it is, wake up and smell the coffee

The bottom line is we knew what we were getting into when he came here, so here it is in full view. Like it or not we have a basketball coach who calls his players motherfckers on a regular basis on the sidelines of the games. If that's the sort of program we want to have, well we've got it.
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His shtik is getting tired and if he doesn't start putting up some wins soon all his hissy fits will be his downfall

Whether you want to admit it or not, this stuff is exactly what opposing coaches play top recruits and their families to steer them away from playing for South Carolina.

He's not Bobby Knight, he never will be, he never can be because that was a different era so please stop making that comparison because it's completely invalid. In 1978 you could get away with doing that, in 2014 you can't, that's just the way it is, wake up and smell the coffee

The bottom line is we knew what we were getting into when he came here, so here it is in full view. Like it or not we have a basketball coach who calls his players motherfckers on a regular basis on the sidelines of the games. If that's the sort of program we want to have, well we've got it.

Yeah and we also have a football coach who rarely ever praises his players as well. I like the coaches we have.
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Yeah and we also have a football coach who rarely ever praises his players as well. I like the coaches we have.
Well I disagree with whoever it was that was saying we need all of our coaches to coach the same way. There are always going to be personality differences in the program. This style happens to be his style for better or worse.
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My opinion of this guy is dropping daily. Look at our coaches........Ray Tanner(now holbrook), Steve Spurrier, Dawn Staley, and Frank Martin? Who doesn't belong out of the big four. Maybe Frank will get us there one day but I don't see how calling our players degrading names helps us reach our goals in that sport. I'm all for him being tough and getting in players face, but show them some respect. BRENTON is his name, not f'ing bum, not mf'er.
Do you honestly believe Coach Spurrier doesn't curse at his players; especially during his first couple of seasons?! It's a motivational tool. Coach Martin may have crossed a line with his choice of words, but you're naive if you don't think all of our coaches yell, curse, and scream at their players.

Our basketball program (and its players) needs a kick in the pants. We are the worst team in the SEC and have been for a couple of seasons. If this were year five of the "Martin era", then you might have a point. All of the other coaches you referenced are experiencing or experienced success after several seasons at the helm. And football, baseball, and women's basketball were in much better shape when their respective coaches took over.
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Being nice to them is not working, calm instruction is not working, benching them is not working, normal yelling at them is not working. What else is left to try? Whips? Sticking them with hot pokers? Taking away their bling?
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to be fair, that wasn't directed towards Brenton at all. He was on the other side of the huddle.
Yeah, he was looking at Henry and it sounded like he said, "You're a 'ffin' bove it!" Like maybe Henry was whining about something. It didn't sound like he called anyone a name. Martin is the kind of guy that won't tolerate making excuses. If something doesn't go right it is because the players did something wrong, end of story. That is the kind of mentality our players need to have to have to be winners. That is what he is trying to instill. You don't pout and whine and wonder why the refs hate you, you instantly move on and you accept the refs decision, you think about you need to be doing right now. And also because those refs can tell and they don't like it if you complain or give them a funny look. It will cause more calls to go against you, and if don't do anything to raise their ire, the refs notice that too and they usually reward you for it. The players need to learn this. This is not backyard basketball which is what these guys are used to.
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Instead of a calm coach, we need a leader. Since Bruce left we are without a strong, talented leader. These guys are talented and know how to play, Martin is there to keep them in line but he cant make plays on the court for them. We need the players to step up. The reason we arent winning now is more on the players than coaches.
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Being nice to them is not working, calm instruction is not working, benching them is not working, normal yelling at them is not working. What else is left to try? Whips? Sticking them with hot pokers? Taking away their bling?

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Frank Martin misses so many plays and wastes valuable time during timeouts berating his players.

Specifically - during the timeout before the last play of the Ole Miss game - he was busy yelling at Williams instead of focusing on the right play to call to get off a decent shot.

If you remember... Thornwell went away from the basket instead of towards it on that last play.

Just calling it how I see it.
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Times were different in the bob knight days. Kids are too sensitive for that nowadays
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As far as the wasting the timeout comment, he didn't just launch into the tirade. He was responding to one of the players interjecting in the time out. Rule #1 of basketball timeouts is NEVER SAY SOMETHING UNLESS THE COACH ASKS YOU. Seriously you don't. You know that scene in Hoosiers where they all stand up in the timeout and Jimmy says he'll make the shot on the picket fence so they change the play- it doesn't happen. If you do that you get yelled at. If you bitch about the players being dirty or bad ref calls you get told to toughen up. If you bitch about not getting the ball inside/outside they bring up your stats. Bottom line, if coach wants to hear your voice, he'll ask you a question. You volunteer and you get yelled at.
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Do you honestly believe Coach Spurrier doesn't curse at his players; especially during his first couple of seasons?! It's a motivational tool. Coach Martin may have crossed a line with his choice of words, but you're naive if you don't think all of our coaches yell, curse, and scream at their players.

Our basketball program (and its players) needs a kick in the pants. We are the worst team in the SEC and have been for a couple of seasons. If this were year five of the "Martin era", then you might have a point. All of the other coaches you referenced are experiencing or experienced success after several seasons at the helm. And football, baseball, and women's basketball were in much better shape when their respective coaches took over.
Cursing in front of players and cursing AT players are two completely different things. You can not personally attack one of you own players. EVER! Having passion is great. Getting after players is great. Belittling them in front of their teammates, fans and the entire tv audience is wrong.

Would you allow someone to call your son or daughter a M*ther F*cker?

If you can't find another way to motivate or get on their asses without making it personal, you should do something else.

I know he realizes he made a mistake, and I will certainly forgive him as a Gamecock, but I won't forget it happened.

This is not a positive situation for the program, no matter how this plays forward.
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It will either kill their confidence or make them work their tails off to be better. As long as he praises the good things...rare they may be.
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LOL at the folks demanding wins or else a year and a half into Martin's tenure. Those people have no idea what shape this program was in when he got here. Building foundations is hard and emotional work and Frank has to basically build ours from scratch. The players have to help and when they don't it's his job to force them back on track. He takes that job seriously when it's apparent his predecessor didn't. If we're still bottom of the conference and having the same struggles two seasons from now, then I'll start questioning his methods. Until then, the man is laying block to build the future on. I say let him do the heavy lifting his way.
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