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Old 01-27-2014, 04:11 PM   #21
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Wow I knew Holbrook couldn't fill the shoes of Tanner. He doesn't have the ability to have his team ready to go so he berates them then says 5 of our best players violated unspecified team rules. Yeah what a joke. So I guess at the end of the year when we aren't up to par he will find some other excuse for why his team cant win.
Chalk up another fair weather "fan" off the bandwagon!!

Means more space for the true fans that understand coaches and discipline for the team...
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Wow I knew Holbrook couldn't fill the shoes of Tanner. He doesn't have the ability to have his team ready to go so he berates them then says 5 of our best players violated unspecified team rules. Yeah what a joke. So I guess at the end of the year when we aren't up to par he will find some other excuse for why his team cant win.
I would say that you're smoking weed, but that's supposed to make people mellow... so the only explanation for your irrational anxiety is crack cocaine

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Wow I knew Holbrook couldn't fill the shoes of Tanner. He doesn't have the ability to have his team ready to go so he berates them then says 5 of our best players violated unspecified team rules. Yeah what a joke. So I guess at the end of the year when we aren't up to par he will find some other excuse for why his team cant win.
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Wow I knew Holbrook couldn't fill the shoes of Tanner. He doesn't have the ability to have his team ready to go so he berates them then says 5 of our best players violated unspecified team rules. Yeah what a joke. So I guess at the end of the year when we aren't up to par he will find some other excuse for why his team cant win.
The 5 players were Jack Wynkoop (never been in trouble), Max Schrock (never been in trouble), Brison Celek (hiccups his freshman year, 5 years ago), Joey Pankake, and Greyson Greiner.

Maybe what they did, the "violation of teamrules" isn't worthy of letting the public know? Maybe it's because it wasn't that bad, just disappointing to the coaching staff?

Maybe I'm just not fulling understanding you're post...
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The 5 players were Jack Wynkoop (never been in trouble), Max Schrock (never been in trouble), Brison Celek (hiccups his freshman year, 5 years ago), Joey Pankake, and Greyson Greiner.

Maybe what they did, the "violation of teamrules" isn't worthy of letting the public know? Maybe it's because it wasn't that bad, just disappointing to the coaching staff?

Maybe I'm just not fulling understanding you're post...

Im upset that this was brought out in the public eye mostly, why couldn't this have been handled in house?
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Chalk up another fair weather "fan" off the bandwagon!!

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Fair weather fan?? You are kidding right, born in Columbia, graduated USC 2010, do I need to go on??? Just pissed we can't ever seem to handle these things on the down low is all.
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Fair weather fan?? You are kidding right, born in Columbia, graduated USC 2010, do I need to go on??? Just pissed we can't ever seem to handle these things on the down low is all.
Then why not just say that instead of completely discounting Chad as a coach?
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Im upset that this was brought out in the public eye mostly, why couldn't this have been handled in house?
Holbrook mentioned Wynkoop because he was pissed at him for whatever he did. "Sources" leaked the other names. This was to be handled in house, and I'm sure it was.

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I like this move by Holbrook. He is setting the tone early in the year that 'shenanigans' will not be tolerated by anyone. Great things from the team this year!!!
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It's the "broken windows" theory. If you don't tolerate the little things that go wrong (windows being broken) you won't have larger issues. Holbrook's move is very much in keeping Tanner's tradition of being very strict on players.

Tanner didn't care who you were. (See: Chisenhall, Lonnie)
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This was way overblown by media members simply because the words "veteran" and "unspecific" were used. The media will go crazy without knowing what actually was the cause, and so will the fans.

Holbrook has handled the situation, and according to TBS their punishment was forcing the entire team to do conditioning drills at 6:30 AM this morning. The only other punishment mentioned was Jack Wynkoop possibly not starting opening weekend, and having his start made up during a midweek game.

That was it.

Good move. Obviously guys were pushing their boundaries, and this should snap everyone back to where they should be. Keeping that leash tight right now, make them earn that slack back.
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Kind of wish Holbrook hadn't have made the issue public when there was no need to. Like it or not, Ray probably handled this kind of thing in-house.

Regardless, let Frank Martin talk to them.
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I have a feeling the guys probably got drunk at the Jason Aldean concert and had some USC baseball gear on and didn't represent the team in a classy manor.

I like it...Chad punished our starters and leaders...how many other coaches would've punished their top guys?

Wish it wasn't out in the public sphere, but in today's social media, it was going to leak, so Chad did the right thing from a PR standpoint and got out in front of it saying it has already been taken care of.
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Wow I knew Holbrook couldn't fill the shoes of Tanner. He doesn't have the ability to have his team ready to go so he berates them then says 5 of our best players violated unspecified team rules. Yeah what a joke. So I guess at the end of the year when we aren't up to par he will find some other excuse for why his team cant win.
Yeah one win away from CWS in his first year as head coach, what a disgrace.
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Don't forget to add to that Chad managed to do that after losing one of the most successful starters in team history, one of the most successful closers in team history, our best offensive player, and our best defensive player. Then the 4 guys that replaced each of those all spent time on the injured list.
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Tanner didn't care who you were. (See: Chisenhall, Lonnie)
In all honesty, although Chisenhall went on to be a good player and is still in the bigs, and he definitely would have given us some punch during the Smoak/Havens years that could have added up to a championship run, it was Nick Fuller's raw talent that I personally feel was the biggest loss.

I watched Fuller come in and pitch one side during a game that season before the "incident", and he threw four pitches, three were strikes looking that were absolutely unhittable. I mean we were standing there with our jaws dropped open, dumbfounded. I remember that the batter stood there after Paxton had already walked back to the dugout like, "did I just see that pitch?" He was brutalizing.

Nick Fuller was going to be a flamethrower. I think he coached high school ball for a short time but he never made it to the show.

I'll go out on a limb and say this: had those two guys never screwed up and they stayed healthy, with the bats we had those years, we would have been a very, very powerful team and they could have accomplished anything they set our minds to. The missing piece to the puzzle in the Smoak years was pitching depth and both of those guys had the goods.

It seems like it was so long ago. Not sure why.
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