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Old 01-30-2014, 11:09 PM   #61
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anyone who argues that Graham is a TE doesnt watch NFL football......and doesnt understand why it would be important to label Graham as a WR and not TE
Saying Gramah isn't a TE shows a lack of football knowledge. As I said earlier, yet no rebuttal, find me a WR who is lining up attached to the OL even close to 10% of the time. Gramah was attached to the OL a third of the time; therefore, he is a TE.

I think the irrationale hatred from some one here for Breez is comical. Same people crushing him would be hocking him, if he was the Panthers QB.
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I think the irrationale hatred from some one here for Breez is comical.
It's immature and childish. Brees and his wife are both involved in charities and have been for years...but Brees is a "scumbag"?

It's one thing to embarass yourself, another thing to be oblivious to it when you do it.
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Saying Gramah isn't a TE shows a lack of football knowledge. As I said earlier, yet no rebuttal, find me a WR who is lining up attached to the OL even close to 10% of the time. Gramah was attached to the OL a third of the time; therefore, he is a TE.

I think the irrationale hatred from some one here for Breez is comical. Same people crushing him would be hocking him, if he was the Panthers QB.
Probably not bc Brees would be in a system in which he would not be successful.
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^^^^^^

My bad now I get it....

If you transplanted Brees and the whole Saints offense and their coaching staff and offensive system to Charlotte and that team suddenly learned how to win outside of a dome then everyone in the QC would love Brees.

Great point. Seems totally plausible.
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Brees is almost as scummy as Tebow.
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It's immature and childish. Brees and his wife are both involved in charities and have been for years...but Brees is a "scumbag"?

It's one thing to embarass yourself, another thing to be oblivious to it when you do it.
Again Breesus defending the bounty system whose whole existence was to end player's careers makes you a scumbag and deserving of a career ending concussion. Anyone who doesn't see this obviously didn't follow the bountygate scandal.
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Again Breesus defending the bounty system whose whole existence was to end player's careers makes you a scumbag and deserving of a career ending concussion. Anyone who doesn't see this obviously didn't follow the bountygate scandal.
Name one player's career ended as a result of the bounty system. There must be dozens if it's "whole existence was to end player's careers."
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Again Breesus defending the bounty system whose whole existence was to end player's careers makes you a scumbag and deserving of a career ending concussion. Anyone who doesn't see this obviously didn't follow the bountygate scandal.
Oh please, players have always tried to injure the other team's key players and they still do.
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Oh please, players have always tried to injure the other team's key players and they still do.
Not the Panthers. They'd never do such a horrible thing. Just like Cam would never break rules or defend cheating.
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Name one player's career ended as a result of the bounty system. There must be dozens if it's "whole existence was to end player's careers."

They took multiple dirty hits on Farve during the NFC title game which diminished his ability to play and helped the Saints win the game and go to the SB.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...were-no-secret

I don't think that they necessarily tried to end careeers but they definitely tried to knock players out of games with late and dirty hits.

Would you be 100% fine if Clemson had a bounty program and intentionally tried to injure Connor Shaw with repeated late hits and dirty plays.
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Oh please, players have always tried to injure the other team's key players and they still do.

If it s o common then why do we not see games like the 09 NFC title game all the time with repeated late and illegal hits on the QB?

I've never seen such a blatant attept to hurt a QB ever.

Imagine if the was Shaw out there against Clemson and how you'd feel about the late and illegal hits.

To defend a team who was involved in deliberate late and illegal hits in crazy.
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Would you be 100% fine if Clemson had a bounty program and intentionally tried to injure Connor Shaw with repeated late hits and dirty plays.
Well of course not.

But I don't think you won't find some fans who would be fine with it if it were us taking out Tajh
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Well of course not.

But I don't think you won't find some fans who would be fine with it if it were us taking out Tajh
Well some posters on here seem to be defending it.
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Well some posters on here seem to be defending it.
Yea but you used the gamecocks.

I think most posters will defend it if it wasn't their own team.
Shit, I know I would.
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Yea but you used the gamecocks.

I think most posters will defend it if it wasn't their own team.
Shit, I know I would.

I think intentionally trying to injure any player by using late hit and dirty tactics is wrong and breaks the "code" among players.

I don't have any love for Farve and actaully was annoyed with his costant retire/unretire BS but I think it is F'd up that the Saints tried to take him out of a game by using late hits and dirty plays.
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They took multiple dirty hits on Farve during the NFC title game which diminished his ability to play and helped the Saints win the game and go to the SB.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...were-no-secret

I don't think that they necessarily tried to end careeers but they definitely tried to knock players out of games with late and dirty hits.

Would you be 100% fine if Clemson had a bounty program and intentionally tried to injure Connor Shaw with repeated late hits and dirty plays.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. Personally I don't think any Saints were trying to seriously injure players/end careers, they were trying to be disruptive. I agree it wasn't any secret that they were trying to hit Favre as many times as possible. This fact was stated by many of the Saints Defensive players before the game took place. As far as late hits and dirty plays go, that sort of stuff should be officiated on the field and not after the fact by trying to determine intent. If it's a penalty it's a penalty whether there was intent or not.
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It's all in the eye of the beholder. Personally I don't think any Saints were trying to seriously injure players/end careers, they were trying to be disruptive. I agree it wasn't any secret that they were trying to hit Favre as many times as possible. This fact was stated by many of the Saints Defensive players before the game took place. As far as late hits and dirty plays go, that sort of stuff should be officiated on the field and not after the fact by trying to determine intent. If it's a penalty it's a penalty whether there was intent or not.

So if Dylan gets knocked out of the CU game this year by multiple dirty hits then I don't want to hear any whining from you.

The officials will call it and there should be no outcry from the fans.

Got it.
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This is what it all comes down to. He is pissed that Breez won a Super Bowl with the Saints while he is stuck knowing that Cam will never come close to winning a Super Bowl for the Panthers.

Gramah is a TE and his success is due to Breez more than Breez' success being due to Gramah.
Right. B/c everyone in the league thoughtthat Brees would be a SB winning/HOF QB after his 1st 3 yrs in the NFL.

Quick comparison of stats (we'll leave out Brees' 1st year and use yrs 2,3 & 4 b/c even though he was soooo talented and obviously a HOFer, he only played in 1 game his rookie year).....

Brees total yds - 8,773; total TDs - 58
Cam total yds - 13,331; total TDs - 92

These are rgular season numbers. Brees did play in 5 fewer games but that's b/c he was sucking so much that he was benched in his 3rd year in favor of an aging Doug Flutie.

Yes you can definitely say that Cam will never win a SB with the Cats. The numbers from his career vs Brees' clearly show that. Thank you for the riveting commentary.

Now if you want to argue about the cap hell the Panther's are in due to Hurney then you can make taht argument but we will be waaay better off in 2016 and have a solid GM who will right the ship from a spending ad organizational perspective.
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If it s o common then why do we not see games like the 09 NFC title game all the time with repeated late and illegal hits on the QB?

I've never seen such a blatant attept to hurt a QB ever.

Imagine if the was Shaw out there against Clemson and how you'd feel about the late and illegal hits.

To defend a team who was involved in deliberate late and illegal hits in crazy.
The bounty had nothing to do with late or illegal hits. The bounty was to hurt the guy.
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Right. B/c everyone in the league thoughtthat Brees would be a SB winning/HOF QB after his 1st 3 yrs in the NFL.

Quick comparison of stats (we'll leave out Brees' 1st year and use yrs 2,3 & 4 b/c even though he was soooo talented and obviously a HOFer, he only played in 1 game his rookie year).....

Brees total yds - 8,773; total TDs - 58
Cam total yds - 13,331; total TDs - 92

These are rgular season numbers. Brees did play in 5 fewer games but that's b/c he was sucking so much that he was benched in his 3rd year in favor of an aging Doug Flutie.

Yes you can definitely say that Cam will never win a SB with the Cats. The numbers from his career vs Brees' clearly show that. Thank you for he riveting commentary.
Not even comparable since when Breez came in the meager it wasn't a pass happy league and the rules hadn't been changed to help the QB as much as it is now. He also had a HC who ran the ball more than the average team. Thanks for trying but you show your homerism.

Cam is the new Donovan Mcnabb. Has a great D winning games for his team, just so long as he doesn't screw it up. Yet when needed they won't make the play in the post season. All you need to know about Cam is that when he was told to center the ball to win the national championship, he tried to sneak the ball in and almost fumbled. He won't win.
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