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Old 01-31-2014, 01:13 PM   #81
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So if Dylan gets knocked out of the CU game this year by multiple dirty hits then I don't want to hear any whining from you.

The officials will call it and there should be no outcry from the fans.

Got it.
As long as those hits are called as roughing the passer and if any of them are targeting fouls I expect them to be ejected, but other than that I don't see what the outcry would be over. If they cross the line they should be penalized or ejected depending on the severity. Anyway it's usually the Clemson fans crying after the game about stupid sh#t.
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So if Dylan gets knocked out of the CU game this year by multiple dirty hits then I don't want to hear any whining from you.

The officials will call it and there should be no outcry from the fans.

Got it.

If they are perfectly legal hits and he get's hurt it going to be hard to complain about it. If there are illegal hits, than yeah, that is something to complain about in itself whether it was intentional or not.
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That is the thing about football. You better have a #1 and a #2 at every position that can perform around the same level. If it was easy to determine if players meant to injure a player, their team should be forced to forfeit the game. It's tough as hell though, a player can do a legal hit and hurt another player.
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If they are perfectly legal hits and he get's hurt it going to be hard to complain about it. If there are illegal hits, than yeah, that is something to complain about in itself whether it was intentional or not.
Well that's exactly what the Saints did to Farve.
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The bounty had nothing to do with late or illegal hits. The bounty was to hurt the guy.

Which they did to Farve.
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Not even comparable since when Breez came in the meager it wasn't a pass happy league and the rules hadn't been changed to help the QB as much as it is now. He also had a HC who ran the ball more than the average team. Thanks for trying but you show your homerism.

Cam is the new Donovan Mcnabb. Has a great D winning games for his team, just so long as he doesn't screw it up. Yet when needed they won't make the play in the post season. All you need to know about Cam is that when he was told to center the ball to win the national championship, he tried to sneak the ball in and almost fumbled. He won't win.
Homerism? WTF did I ever say Cam would win a SB? I'm just saying no one can know for sure (except you of course).

So you had Brees pegged as a HOF SB winning QB when he got bench for Flutie in yr 3? Wow, you must be working for an NFL front office right now making the big bucks since your scouting is mind blowing.

Nice job comparing 2 black QBs. Very creative.

It's been argued that Cam is a more mobile Rothlisberger but I guess you didn't want to make that point b/c Ben has 2 rings.
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Well that's exactly what the Saints did to Farve.
The question is (IMO) were they trying to hurt him or trying to injure him. I think as a defensive player you should try and hurt your opponent on every play, trying to injure them is something else entirely and I don't approve of that. Now we could argue all day over whether they were trying to hurt Favre or Injure him, but I doubt we are ever going to agree on that. The fact of the matter is that the Saints had a game plan to neutralize Favre's impact on the game and it worked. Late in the game Favre was hearing the footsteps in his head and threw an ill advised pass that led to the Saints winning the game.
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Which they did to Farve.
And players get hurt in football. It's a violent game. Would it make you feel better if there wasn't a bounty and the Saints players went out to hurt players simply because it is expected of them or just because it helps them win just like they do at every other team?
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Not even comparable since when Breez came in the meager it wasn't a pass happy league and the rules hadn't been changed to help the QB as much as it is now. He also had a HC who ran the ball more than the average team. Thanks for trying but you show your homerism.

Cam is the new Donovan Mcnabb. Has a great D winning games for his team, just so long as he doesn't screw it up. Yet when needed they won't make the play in the post season. All you need to know about Cam is that when he was told to center the ball to win the national championship, he tried to sneak the ball in and almost fumbled. He won't win.

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Eagles D rating avg over the 01-04 run when they went to 4 NFC title games and 1 SB was 18th. One of those years they were the 3rd worst in the league. So.......
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And players get hurt in football. It's a violent game. Would it make you feel better if there wasn't a bounty and the Saints players went out to hurt players simply because it is expected of them or just because it helps them win just like they do at every other team?
Nope it wouldn't. It's just a dirty chicken shit way to play football.
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Homerism? WTF did I ever say Cam would win a SB? I'm just saying no one can know for sure (except you of course).

So you had Brees pegged as a HOF SB winning QB when he got bench for Flutie in yr 3? Wow, you must be working for an NFL front office right now making the big bucks since your scouting is mind blowing.

Nice job comparing 2 black QBs. Very creative.

It's been argued that Cam is a more mobile Rothlisberger but I guess you didn't want to make that point b/c Ben has 2 rings.
All defenses TRY to injure the players. They aren't trying to end careers, but they want them injured enough to get the guy out of the game or at least play at less than 100% to make them other team wonder if they they have to take him out and put someone else in.
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Nope it wouldn't. It's just a dirty chicken shit way to play football.
It's they way it's played. They're gladiators, get over it. Because they don't give a crud what you think. They care about winning and making money. It's a sport for mean cruel men with little care for who is their way.
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You still don't get it. I know that defenses want to knock players out. I want my teams to knock starters out but I don't expect dirty hits to accomplish it.

I'm specifically pointing to the 09 NFC title game as a case where the Saints had multiple dirty hits on Farve in an effort to hurt him. You just don't see that type of stuff on a regular basis.

I cannot point to 1 playoff game this season where a team took multiple late and low hits on a QB. that 09 game was an outlier that one would think the bounty influenced.
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Back to the subject -- a player is worth what teams will pay him. If Graham can find a team to label him wr and pay him more great, but you're worth what people are willing to pay for you.
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You still don't get it. I know that defenses want to knock players out. I want my teams to knock starters out but I don't expect dirty hits to accomplish it.

I'm specifically pointing to the 09 NFC title game as a case where the Saints had multiple dirty hits on Farve in an effort to hurt him. You just don't see that type of stuff on a regular basis.

I cannot point to 1 playoff game this season where a team took multiple late and low hits on a QB. that 09 game was an outlier that one would think the bounty influenced.
I really think that the treatment Favre received was more about a team wanting to go to the Super Bowl than players getting a couple extra bucks for knocking out Favre. As I said before it was no secret that the Saints D was coming after Favre. They all stated before the game that they intended on putting Favre on his ass every time they had a chance. Now if you want to take exception with the refs only calling one roughing the passer on them then ok, but I don't think bounties had anything to do with that game.
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Back to the subject -- a player is worth what teams will pay him. If Graham can find a team to label him wr and pay him more great, but you're worth what people are willing to pay for you.

He can be paid anything a team is willing to pay him no matter what position he plays. The only reason this is an issue now is the "franchise Player" tag. New Orleans can make him their franchise player and he has to stay there and automatically receives the average of the top five at his position. The top five WR's average is much higher than the top five TE's average.
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You still don't get it. I know that defenses want to knock players out. I want my teams to knock starters out but I don't expect dirty hits to accomplish it.

I'm specifically pointing to the 09 NFC title game as a case where the Saints had multiple dirty hits on Farve in an effort to hurt him. You just don't see that type of stuff on a regular basis.

I cannot point to 1 playoff game this season where a team took multiple late and low hits on a QB. that 09 game was an outlier that one would think the bounty influenced.
You don't get it. Bounty has nothing to do with dirty hits. They don't want them making "dirty hits." They don't want their players getting penalized or suspended. They are trying to hurt him with LEGAL hits. Most of those "dirty hits" according to you were not even flagged.
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You don't get it. Bounty has nothing to do with dirty hits. They don't want them making "dirty hits." They don't want their players getting penalized or suspended. They are trying to hurt him with LEGAL hits. Most of those "dirty hits" according to you were not even flagged.
3 PF is not a lot?

How many playoff games this year had 3 PFs for hit on QB?

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I'm over it.

I get it-

You think it is okay to intentionally play outside of the rules with the intent to hurt an opposing player.

I think that you should play within the rules and if someone gets hurt then it is what it is.

We're not going to agree and I'm fine with that.
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3 PF is not a lot?

How many playoff games this year had 3 PFs for hit on QB?
They were all boarderline or they didn't realize he didn't have the ball because of good play action. And when you hand the ball off to a guy, you become a blocker if you are in the way.
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