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Old 02-05-2014, 09:23 PM   #461
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Yep, no one has really brought up the no flips for us at the end.

With the push that 'Bama, UGA, and others were making for some of our guys that's huge.

Now...on to Mr. Key and 2015....
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What's the best way to finish off an 11-2 season and bowl victory?

A kick ass recruiting class.

Great job by the coaching staff.
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Great class. A few misses along the way on a couple positions but it happens. We have great coaches and they'll have everyone prepared for game day. Hats off to the coaching staff. Also happy the sanctions are over with. Another win for us today.
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Heck Auburn was the Natty Runner up and they only finished 9th overall....



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Has Darin Smalls signed a LOI?
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I have been critical of our staff, but I will give credit where credit is due. They closed on the guys we absolutely had to have. Finishing 15th with limited availability is pretty good. Finishing with four very good players on NSD is something we have not done very often.

My criticism of the staff is that we need more elite talent, not that we can't get ANY elite talent. We did get some great players in this cycle. Even 15th nationally means we are 8th in our own conference. We are already at a disadvantage in overall talent, if we want to win our conference. We got lucky in Lammons and McClain, we were not really on their radar two months ago. They came here because they were sliding down the priority list at FLA and FSU, that was good for us.
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Clemson down to 18th in 247 Team Rankings, South Carolina 15th. So they don't have that feather in their pathetic little caps, either.
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Looks like with these guys becoming Gamecocks, they won't know what it's like to ever lose to Clempsun either. Once these guys are drafted, we'll be saying fear the foot!
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This is where you err. Recruiting rankings, at that point, do not mean one is at a disadvantage overall. It is subjective assessments of subjective projections of how 17 or 18 year olds from different backgrounds, maturity levels, physical development and systems they played in at high school will ultimately play out 3-5 years later. To say it is an inexact science is an understatement. What is better is reassessments later. But throw in all those variables and you see something very different. If you are in the top 15-20 consistently, you probably have all the talent you need to win championships. If you expect Alabama's number, the school that has twice as many national championships as we have bowl wins, you forgot to pass the bong.
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This is where you err. Recruiting rankings, at that point, do not mean one is at a disadvantage overall. It is subjective assessments of subjective projections of how 17 or 18 year olds from different backgrounds, maturity levels, physical development and systems they played in at high school will ultimately play out 3-5 years later. To say it is an inexact science is an understatement. What is better is reassessments later. But throw in all those variables and you see something very different. If you are in the top 15-20 consistently, you probably have all the talent you need to win championships. If you expect Alabama's number, the school that has twice as many national championships as we have bowl wins, you forgot to pass the bong.
No team that has finished outside the top 6 in recruiting classes previous three years has won a NC. That is pretty much the same for an SEC title. We are still behind in raw talent if we want to win titles, no matter what the reason. The numbers don't lie.
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Biggest emphasis was defensive line 3 starters gone and 2 defensive backs gone

Instant impact could be corners, somebody has to play there and d line
Offensively Bruce, Shaw, Thompson on offense need to be replaced

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Did Thompson leave? Is there another Thompson besides Dylan?

Edit: I just listened to it. He said Ronald Patrick left. He mentioned that DT was there to step up as QB.
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No team that has finished outside the top 6 in recruiting classes previous three years has won a NC. That is pretty much the same for an SEC title. We are still behind in raw talent if we want to win titles, no matter what the reason. The numbers don't lie.
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I love this class. We have a serious badass group of defensive players. The Seattle seahawks just taught us a lesson that a defense can be built around the back four. I think we have that with depth with this class. When an opponent knows that our back four will lock their ass's down, it frees up the front 7. I feel like we just may have that talent.

And all this ranking B.S. is just that. Ask Florida. They had a historic class a few years ago- "the best ever" - you can only put 11 on the field and all those poor whiney, disgruntled, prima donna 4 and 5 star players who were promised early playing time start to bitch and become cancers. It drove Urban Meyer out of Florida. Five me kids with heart and desire and yeah....talent, with our coaching staff any frieken day. Muschamp and Butch and Richt can brag all they want about their recruiting class ranking. They can't coach their way out of a paper bag.

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I don't understand what this statement means. Is this for the last 3 national champions? Or was this a statement for the history of the national championships (like does this go for when Colorado, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and BYU were national champs) - I don't thin so? We all know that big names - ie, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and others will have great recruits even after they have average seasons. The teams that will compete at a high level will be the teams that fill their needs, recruit their type of players and keep them in school, develop their players, and provide excellent coaching. Did you know that Michigan State did not finish in the top 25 in recruiting for 4 years (and they may have been the best team last year, definitely one of the best). I am one of those fans that think the star system is very misleading at times Look at the super bowl, more 2 and 3 star players (as college recruits) than anything else. I think we have another great class of gentlemen that will help where we need next year but more importantly will help us for the following 5 years to come. GO COCKS!!!! Can't wait for the Thursday night opener next year!
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I don't understand what this statement means. Is this for the last 3 national champions? Or was this a statement for the history of the national championships (like does this go for when Colorado, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and BYU were national champs) - I don't thin so? We all know that big names - ie, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and others will have great recruits even after they have average seasons. The teams that will compete at a high level will be the teams that fill their needs, recruit their type of players and keep them in school, develop their players, and provide excellent coaching. Did you know that Michigan State did not finish in the top 25 in recruiting for 4 years (and they may have been the best team last year, definitely one of the best). I am one of those fans that think the star system is very misleading at times Look at the super bowl, more 2 and 3 star players (as college recruits) than anything else. I think we have another great class of gentlemen that will help where we need next year but more importantly will help us for the following 5 years to come. GO COCKS!!!! Can't wait for the Thursday night opener next year!
Star ratings are not perfect for every single player, but when added up, they do tell the story of how talented an entire class is. My reference was over the last 10 years or so, you had to finish in top 6 to win a title, NC or SEC. We are in the toughest conference in the nation, logic should tell you that you can't consistently start with the 8th best talent and consistently beat teams with better talent, unless you have a distinct advantage in coaching. This explains the FLA example, Muschamp can't coach. Meyer could. He did not leave because of cancers, he left because his wife was having an affair.

I love how some like to ignore star rating unless they are talking about a recruit that committed to us. I want us to win titles, and I think this class has some great players, we will need a lot more of them if we want to win titles. I am not raining on our success, just pointing out that IMHO recruiting is the weakness of our program.
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One thing that struck me today was the thought of those quality DB's looking at our recruiting of DL, and thinking "I want to play behind these dudes." Building quality up front is how we've beaten former nemeses lately and made it easier for second and third level players to see some real attraction here - on offense and defense. The guys in the trenches are what make the "star" guys shine.
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