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Old 02-06-2014, 06:34 PM   #81
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I think figure skating should get as much coverage as it does sorry but to attract a small percentage of women views at the expense of real sports fans is just plain stupid. There are a ton of other sports that deserve more coverage except all that X-Games crap that has invaded the Olympics.
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I think figure skating should get as much coverage as it does sorry but to attract a small percentage of women views at the expense of real sports fans is just plain stupid. There are a ton of other sports that deserve more coverage except all that X-Games crap that has invaded the Olympics.
They play to their audience. It's incorrect that it only draws a "small percentage of women". It's consistently one of the highest viewed winter Olympic sports from both sexes, so they cover it a lot. NBC has been covering the Olympics for a long time, they know where their views come from. Just because you don't watch doesn't mean others don't. Ratings have slipped a little as the US lost their past dominance, but it's still one of the most popular winter sports.

Also, for what it's worth, you can be an Figure Skating fan and also a "real sports fan". Example: me.
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I am all about the curling personally. That is my kind of sport. Not the sweeping part though. That looks pretty tough. I want to be the one at end yelling "sweep faster!" and then give me my medal.
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I think I could handle pushing that circley thing at the start.
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They play to their audience. It's incorrect that it only draws a "small percentage of women". It's consistently one of the highest viewed winter Olympic sports from both sexes, so they cover it a lot. NBC has been covering the Olympics for a long time, they know where their views come from. Just because you don't watch doesn't mean others don't. Ratings have slipped a little as the US lost their past dominance, but it's still one of the most popular winter sports.

Also, for what it's worth, you can be an Figure Skating fan and also a "real sports fan". Example: me.
It all goes back to that one thing it's a pageant it isn't a sport since humans are judging who is the best when all routines are different, there isn't a set scale as to what determines what score. People complain about the BCS formula is hard to comprehend at least that formula is out there, figure skating and gymnastics there isn't even a way to even try and understand how scoring is done. But to each is own. Will I turn it off tonight because there is figure skating, no because the Olympics is every 4 years so why not. I think there needs to be more diversity in prime showing rather than just one sport.
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Figure skating gets high ratings among the events.
That's why they show it.
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It all goes back to that one thing it's a pageant it isn't a sport since humans are judging who is the best when all routines are different, there isn't a set scale as to what determines what score. People complain about the BCS formula is hard to comprehend at least that formula is out there, figure skating and gymnastics there isn't even a way to even try and understand how scoring is done. But to each is own. Will I turn it off tonight because there is figure skating, no because the Olympics is every 4 years so why not. I think there needs to be more diversity in prime showing rather than just one sport.
But there are judging criteria and points awarded to different skill sets. There is a subjective element in judging figure skating and gymnastics, but is that really any different from the ump deciding a ball from a strike or calling a close play at the plate safe or out?

Figure skating is one of the few events that was included in the first Winter Olympics in 1908. One reason why it is easy to criticize it as a non-sport is because part of the event is making very challenging athletic skills look effortless. Hope you enjoy when you watch tonight.
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I am all about the curling personally. That is my kind of sport. Not the sweeping part though. That looks pretty tough. I want to be the one at end yelling "sweep faster!" and then give me my medal.
No wonder women are so good at curling, it involves a lot of sweeping.






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But there are judging criteria and points awarded to different skill sets. There is a subjective element in judging figure skating and gymnastics, but is that really any different from the ump deciding a ball from a strike or calling a close play at the plate safe or out?

Figure skating is one of the few events that was included in the first Winter Olympics in 1908. One reason why it is easy to criticize it as a non-sport is because part of the event is making very challenging athletic skills look effortless. Hope you enjoy when you watch tonight.
A touchdown is 6 points, a triple axel well who knows what ever the judge decides what a "perfect" triple axel is. A .1 point reduction based on what? Yes what a strike is subjective but even then thought there is a strike zone but a winner isn't decided by a panel of judges.
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It all goes back to that one thing it's a pageant it isn't a sport since humans are judging who is the best when all routines are different, there isn't a set scale as to what determines what score. People complain about the BCS formula is hard to comprehend at least that formula is out there, figure skating and gymnastics there isn't even a way to even try and understand how scoring is done. But to each is own. Will I turn it off tonight because there is figure skating, no because the Olympics is every 4 years so why not. I think there needs to be more diversity in prime showing rather than just one sport.
Gymnastics actually has a very clearly defined scoring system, which was rewritten in 2010. Yes they do have judges for the deductions but certian skills have set point values. A amanar vault is worth 16.2 points. Just because you don't take the time to understand it doesn't mean it's not there. If I watch any sport I didn't take the time to learn I wouldn't understand their scoring system either. (ie, I'm completely lost on the curling scoring system. But I'm sure it makes sense)

I completely understand what you're saying. It's fine you don't like it but I'm just trying to show you the score system is there.

As far as the variety of events, did you watch ANY primetime coverage in 2012? It was probably 5 to 6 different events nightly. Sochi will be more of the same. Not sure where you're getting that it's going to be 3 solid hours of Figure Skating every night. Every sport will get it's coverage. We're not even an hour in to the primetime coverage and were already on the second event. Two more hours to go.
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A touchdown is 6 points, a triple axel well who knows what ever the judge decides what a "perfect" triple axel is. A .1 point reduction based on what? Yes what a strike is subjective but even then thought there is a strike zone but a winner isn't decided by a panel of judges.
Sometimes it seems like umps/refs are trying to decide the winner by panel vote.



There are several other panel judged sports. Diving for summer games and ski jumping in the winter are judged events and are two more of my favs. Different events have different methods for determining the winner. Sometimes the it's points on a field, judges' scores, or the stop watch. The Olympics are awesome!

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Sometimes it seems like umps/refs are trying to decide winner by panel vote.



There are several other panel judged sports. Diving for summer games and ski jumping in the winter are judged events and are two more of my favs. Different events have different methods for determining the winner. Sometimes the it's points on a field, judges' scores, or the stop watch. The Olympics are awesome!
I agree, I love all the sports! Every Olympian is so talented, in a judged sport or not!
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Gymnastics actually has a very clearly defined scoring system, which was rewritten in 2010. Yes they do have judges for the deductions but certian skills have set point values. A amanar vault is worth 16.2 points. Just because you don't take the time to understand it doesn't mean it's not there. If I watch any sport I didn't take the time to learn I wouldn't understand their scoring system either. (ie, I'm completely lost on the curling scoring system. But I'm sure it makes sense)

I completely understand what you're saying. It's fine you don't like it but I'm just trying to show you the score system is there.

As far as the variety of events, did you watch ANY primetime coverage in 2012? It was probably 5 to 6 different events nightly. Sochi will be more of the same. Not sure where you're getting that it's going to be 3 solid hours of Figure Skating every night. Every sport will get it's coverage. We're not even an hour in to the primetime coverage and were already on the second event. Two more hours to go.
Don't forget the 2012 London Games, CASH was being thrown out. Now if that happened in any other sport people would lose it. Now we are supposed to take a sport seriously when cash is changing hands?
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I think figure skating should get as much coverage as it does sorry but to attract a small percentage of women views at the expense of real sports fans is just plain stupid. There are a ton of other sports that deserve more coverage except all that X-Games crap that has invaded the Olympics.
Wat? I think the x games crap has upgraded the Olympics. Half pipe is the deal!
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Wat? I think the x games crap has upgraded the Olympics. Half pipe is the deal!
Half pipe is another judged event. SS1 does not approve.



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Don't forget the 2012 London Games, CASH was being thrown out. Now if that happened in any other sport people would lose it. Now we are supposed to take a sport seriously when cash is changing hands?
Are you referring to gymnastics?

Money is required to file an inquiry. It's handed directly back if the challenge is won. The money is there to make sure people don't appeal every score handed out and to prove the challenge is serious. To me it's similar to how a team is charged with a time out in football if they lose a challenge.

And as far as it being used in other sports, you have to do the exact same thing in Olympic Boxing and Olympic Fencing.

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SSO doesn't seem to be winning this one either.
Not his opinion that is bad, he just doesn't really debate the issue very well.
Must be common.
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I think figure skating should get as much coverage as it does sorry but to attract a small percentage of women views at the expense of real sports fans is just plain stupid. There are a ton of other sports that deserve more coverage except all that X-Games crap that has invaded the Olympics.
Really? You think that snowboarding has made the olympics worse?

Can someone just ban you already?
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