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Old 02-07-2014, 05:21 AM   #61
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So much discussion over an arbitrary ranking system given by a set of guys that have usually never seen the kid play in person.

Here's how I see the ranking system:

5 stars: Everyone's heard of this kid and everyone agrees he's great.
4 stars: Talented player. Someone somewhere is hyping him up a lot, other people agree
3 stars: D1 talent
2 stars: Not enough people have seen him, or he's getting no pub
Not ranked: Nobody has watched his film.

While the star rankings have some value, think about Rivals "point" system for a moment. DJ Smith is ranked as a 4 star player with a ranking of 5.8. Shaq Davidson is ranked as a 3 star player with a ranking of 5.7. So... what the hell separates DJ Smith and Shaq Davidson by one tenth of a point?

Rivals, in fact, dropped Shaq an amazing 44 spots in their rankings just a couple of weeks ago.

Why? What happened between Jan 1 and Jan 23rd to move him that far down?

If you guessed that it was because he was solidly committed and other WRs were generating a lot of buzz between coaches you'd be right.

Despite all this there are still fans that would feel so much better if only Shaq had that fourth star.
And yet some on here will continue to whine and not actually acknowledge any of the salient points you illuminate herein.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:40 AM   #62
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A little too much emphasis is put on the ~30 5* guys. Bama isn't just getting 5 or 6 of them, but also 15+ 4-star guys. Their lowest rated commit this year is a kicker, the next lowest rated a Juco TE who was previously at UGA. That depth matters every bit as much as the handful of guys at the top.

And to comment on the Davidson ratings, you have to remember that the ratings are an ongoing process with so many high school players. What happened between Jan 1 and Jan 23 was that the rivals and 247 guys saw Davidson in person against top-level talent at the all star games. By all accounts he didn't look great and appeared to be much more of a project than previously thought (raw physically and technically at WR). That's why the rating dropped. Smith on the other hand appears to be physically ready to go.

The ratings aren't perfect, but some of you guys are going too far in the other direction trashing them. On the whole they're very good with how much an inexact science evaluating players can be.
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A little too much emphasis is put on the ~30 5* guys. Bama isn't just getting 5 or 6 of them, but also 15+ 4-star guys. Their lowest rated commit this year is a kicker, the next lowest rated a Juco TE who was previously at UGA. That depth matters every bit as much as the handful of guys at the top.

And to comment on the Davidson ratings, you have to remember that the ratings are an ongoing process with so many high school players. What happened between Jan 1 and Jan 23 was that the rivals and 247 guys saw Davidson in person against top-level talent at the all star games. By all accounts he didn't look great and appeared to be much more of a project than previously thought (raw physically and technically at WR). That's why the rating dropped. Smith on the other hand appears to be physically ready to go.

The ratings aren't perfect, but some of you guys are going too far in the other direction trashing them. On the whole they're very good with how much an inexact science evaluating players can be.
If Davidson is more of a raw project than originally thought, then how would you describe Jacob Park as a prospect? I guarantee it doesn't fall in line with what his star rating and ranking indicates!!!
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more than that really. the 4 and 5 stars are guys that shined when the were wee sophomores and freshmen in HS. They get the attention while the ignored people grow bigger stronger better finally get a chance to start on the team and shine but the Georgias and Alabamas and Floridas are too busy fighting over those dudes that were so good as youngins that they pretty much ignore these "late-bloomers"
That's a good point, there are some kids that get the spotlight very early on and are deemed "can't miss." Noel Devine comes to mind.
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If Davidson is more of a raw project than originally thought, then how would you describe Jacob Park as a prospect? I guarantee it doesn't fall in line with what his star rating and ranking indicates!!!
Exactly. Park "STUNK IT UP" in the game he played in and, if I am not mistaken, he went up 1 spot.

One player got hurt and didn't play much. Another played and looked terrible. Which do you think should have dropped in the ratings?
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A little too much emphasis is put on the ~30 5* guys. Bama isn't just getting 5 or 6 of them, but also 15+ 4-star guys. Their lowest rated commit this year is a kicker, the next lowest rated a Juco TE who was previously at UGA. That depth matters every bit as much as the handful of guys at the top.

And to comment on the Davidson ratings, you have to remember that the ratings are an ongoing process with so many high school players. What happened between Jan 1 and Jan 23 was that the rivals and 247 guys saw Davidson in person against top-level talent at the all star games. By all accounts he didn't look great and appeared to be much more of a project than previously thought (raw physically and technically at WR). That's why the rating dropped. Smith on the other hand appears to be physically ready to go.

The ratings aren't perfect, but some of you guys are going too far in the other direction trashing them. On the whole they're very good with how much an inexact science evaluating players can be.

Agree with this. Star ratings are getting more accurate every year. Recruiting services are a huge business now and there are more camps and all star games in which talent evaluators can attend to and rate what they see. Every high school prospect has a film nowadays and it's much easier to get than it was before. It'll never be an exact science. But to disregard it like some of y'all do is stupid.
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