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Old 02-07-2014, 12:26 PM   #1
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Default Discussion: Ranking our recruiters for 2014

So now that the excitement of signing day has come and gone, coupled with it being a slow day at the office, I decided to try and put some metrics to our recruiters for the 2014 class.

Here is my methodology. I took all of our recruits and looked at both their composite score on 24-7 and their 24-7 score. Since the 247 composite is listed as a decimal (0.9528) and their regular score is listed as a whole number less than 100, I multiplied their composite by 100 then added the two together and divided by 2. For example. BAW has a composite of 0.9503 and a 247 score of 96. After I normalized the first score, that gave BAW a rank of 95.515

I then examined who recruited them. For example BAW was recruited solely by Whammy. So I gave Whammy all of the points for BAW. If a recruit had a secondary recruiter I gave the primary guy 100% of those points and the secondary guy 50% of those points. For example. Dante Sawyer had a score of 94.875 in my arbitrary system. He was recruited by Mangus and Adams. So I gave Mangus all 94.875 points and Adams 47.4375 points. Unfair? Possibly, but stay with me. Here's how it all shook out.

Elliott 446.11
Spurrier Jr 385.465
Adams 359.6775
Brown 313.41
Mangus 279.105
Ward 276.825
Sands 89.705
Robinson 87.265
Botkin 86.235

Further breaking it down to primary vs secondary points....

Elliott 446.11, 0
Spurrier Jr 251.08, 134.385
Adams 178.555, 181.1225
Brown 177.76, 135.65
Mangus 279.105, 0
Ward 276.825, 0
Sands 89.705, 0
Robinson 0, 87.265
Botkin 86.235, 0

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I think your system is horribly flawed
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Ranking things must be part of our genetic code. I swear if two guys were marooned on a desert island they'd start ranking the coconuts by blemishes and shell density.

Not pissing all over your list, just making an observation.

Not sure about your system, a lot of depends upon the area they're assigned to.

Plus, I know Whammy kills it. I think you rightly point out, however, that Elliott sometimes doesn't get the credit he deserves as a recruiter.
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nice list...looks like it took some time to set it up

Obviously, it looks like (based on your number system) that Elliot should get more credit for his recruting but of course there is far more variables than whether or not someone signed when figuring out who is the best recruiter.
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I think your system is horribly flawed
Do one better and lets talk about yours...

Edit: So it turns out that 247 has their own raking system (but I think it's multi year, not just 2014....)

Elliott 59.22
Mangus 57.98
Ward 55.96
Adams 47.3
Brown 47.25
Spurrier, Jr 41.1
Sands 34.46
Botkin 26.51
Robinson 16.61

FWIW, I'm not concerned with the top of either raking system....
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Plus, I know Whammy kills it.
Whammy brings more to the table than just recruiting...
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Old 02-07-2014, 01:27 PM   #7
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Rather than by recruiter, can you correlate by regions. IOW, I think your score may relate to the region the coach was assigned to recruit.
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Good stuff. Nerd points achieved ;)


The mitigating factors are that I heard the interview with green. They asked him about Grady brown and it seemed that his conversation with SOS was the deal sealer along with whammy.
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Ya'll remember how KICK @$$ our special teams were last year, right??
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You should divide by the number of recruits they had so a guy that got 15 3*s wouldn't be rated higher than a guy with 5 5*s.


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Old 02-07-2014, 02:13 PM   #11
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Magnus is our best recruiter. Ward close second.

There really is no way to quantify it, though. A great recruiter may get someone to come to an official visit here, that would have never otherwise come here. However, that recruit is being recruited by another great recruiter at a school that has better tradition, closer to home, offers a better chance at early playing time, etc. The recruit may choose the second school, but it was still a great job by the first recruiter to get him even thinking of his school in the first place. There is just so much that goes into it (including money under the table) that its hard to say who is better. To be honest, I'm convinced that the guys always near the top aren't really that great, they just offer lots of money (Ed Orgeron comes to mind).
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If coach robinson isn't a good recruiter, what is he doing for his supper?
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Spurrier's laundry?

It damn sure isn't special teams coaching.
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Do one better and lets talk about yours...

Edit: So it turns out that 247 has their own raking system (but I think it's multi year, not just 2014....)

Elliott 59.22
Mangus 57.98
Ward 55.96
Adams 47.3
Brown 47.25
Spurrier, Jr 41.1
Sands 34.46
Botkin 26.51
Robinson 16.61

FWIW, I'm not concerned with the top of either raking system....

Lonnie - you're such a d*ck for taking the time to put this list together. It might be the single worst thing you've done in your life.

Sriously, ut's an interesting list and largely aligns with what I would assume as the top tier of our recruiters, with Ward, Mangus, Elliott and Adams being at the top.

Hopefully Botkin and Robinson are good fundraisers, esp. Robinson since ST have been so bad.
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Yeah Special Teams needs vast improvement but maybe it will be his best year this year with more continuity with the players? Or does he know someone sorry about conspiracy.
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So now that the excitement of signing day has come and gone, coupled with it being a slow day at the office, I decided to try and put some metrics to our recruiters for the 2014 class.

Here is my methodology. I took all of our recruits and looked at both their composite score on 24-7 and their 24-7 score. Since the 247 composite is listed as a decimal (0.9528) and their regular score is listed as a whole number less than 100, I multiplied their composite by 100 then added the two together and divided by 2. For example. BAW has a composite of 0.9503 and a 247 score of 96. After I normalized the first score, that gave BAW a rank of 95.515

I then examined who recruited them. For example BAW was recruited solely by Whammy. So I gave Whammy all of the points for BAW. If a recruit had a secondary recruiter I gave the primary guy 100% of those points and the secondary guy 50% of those points. For example. Dante Sawyer had a score of 94.875 in my arbitrary system. He was recruited by Mangus and Adams. So I gave Mangus all 94.875 points and Adams 47.4375 points. Unfair? Possibly, but stay with me. Here's how it all shook out.

Elliott 446.11
Spurrier Jr 385.465
Adams 359.6775
Brown 313.41
Mangus 279.105
Ward 276.825
Sands 89.705
Robinson 87.265
Botkin 86.235

Further breaking it down to primary vs secondary points....

Elliott 446.11, 0
Spurrier Jr 251.08, 134.385
Adams 178.555, 181.1225
Brown 177.76, 135.65
Mangus 279.105, 0
Ward 276.825, 0
Sands 89.705, 0
Robinson 0, 87.265
Botkin 86.235, 0

Discuss.

Interesting. Thanks for putting it together. What was your method for deciding who got the points for a split recruitment?
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Interesting. Thanks for putting it together. What was your method for deciding who got the points for a split recruitment?
Third Paragraph of the description. First recruiter got full points. Secondary got 1/2.

You could do it any number of ways. All I was looking for a was a quick thumbnail of how our coaches did.

To all of them. (Almost...)
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The other thing, since coaches are assigned areas/regions to target:
1. How target rich is that area?
2. How effective is a position coach at recognizing talent for other positions and then being able to close on that kid (i.e. Sands recruiting a DT)?
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Yeah Special Teams needs vast improvement but maybe it will be his best year this year with more continuity with the players? Or does he know someone sorry about conspiracy.
IDK, but I sure hope he doesn't walk to close to Fry's golden foot. Don't need anything happening to our one bright spot on ST.
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This seems to me to be meaningless metrics. Metrics often give clarity to a situation, but often are so reductionist, they not only don't tell the whole story, but they mislead. Probably a lot of work for a slow day, but I don't think it shows anything meaningful.
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