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Old 02-07-2014, 05:52 PM   #4721
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Yeah Special Teams needs vast improvement but maybe it will be his best year this year with more continuity with the players? Or does he know someone sorry about conspiracy.
IDK, but I sure hope he doesn't walk to close to Fry's golden foot. Don't need anything happening to our one bright spot on ST.
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:08 PM   #4722
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This seems to me to be meaningless metrics. Metrics often give clarity to a situation, but often are so reductionist, they not only don't tell the whole story, but they mislead. Probably a lot of work for a slow day, but I don't think it shows anything meaningful.
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If Davidson is more of a raw project than originally thought, then how would you describe Jacob Park as a prospect? I guarantee it doesn't fall in line with what his star rating and ranking indicates!!!
Exactly. Park "STUNK IT UP" in the game he played in and, if I am not mistaken, he went up 1 spot.

One player got hurt and didn't play much. Another played and looked terrible. Which do you think should have dropped in the ratings?
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Default Article: Recruiting 2014 - Yes, Rankings Equal Titles

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This seems to me to be meaningless metrics. Metrics often give clarity to a situation, but often are so reductionist, they not only don't tell the whole story, but they mislead. Probably a lot of work for a slow day, but I don't think it shows anything meaningful.
Well, it reveals that Lonnie now leads in the category of nerd points.
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Cherry-pick a few 'facts' to buttress your preconceived opinion & claim victory. Nevermind that the population they chose was much too small to draw ANY conclusions & no need to consider that Scout just might have an axe to grind($ to make)by taking said position. LOL.

Ahh, Scout, don't you want us to understand that your ratings/stars are just one small piece of the puzzle of recruiting??? Guess not when there's $$$ to be made...

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A little too much emphasis is put on the ~30 5* guys. Bama isn't just getting 5 or 6 of them, but also 15+ 4-star guys. Their lowest rated commit this year is a kicker, the next lowest rated a Juco TE who was previously at UGA. That depth matters every bit as much as the handful of guys at the top.

And to comment on the Davidson ratings, you have to remember that the ratings are an ongoing process with so many high school players. What happened between Jan 1 and Jan 23 was that the rivals and 247 guys saw Davidson in person against top-level talent at the all star games. By all accounts he didn't look great and appeared to be much more of a project than previously thought (raw physically and technically at WR). That's why the rating dropped. Smith on the other hand appears to be physically ready to go.

The ratings aren't perfect, but some of you guys are going too far in the other direction trashing them. On the whole they're very good with how much an inexact science evaluating players can be.

Agree with this. Star ratings are getting more accurate every year. Recruiting services are a huge business now and there are more camps and all star games in which talent evaluators can attend to and rate what they see. Every high school prospect has a film nowadays and it's much easier to get than it was before. It'll never be an exact science. But to disregard it like some of y'all do is stupid.
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Well, it reveals that Lonnie now leads in the category of nerd points.
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Good job, Lonnie.

And it cracks me up when others attempt to seem erudite with nothing to offer but criticism.
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Good job, Lonnie.

And it cracks me up when others attempt to seem erudite with nothing to offer but criticism.
Nice!
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Ya'll remember how KICK @$$ our special teams were last year, right??
yea, but I still don't think we devote enough time to special teams....
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I don't think your numbers indicate anywhere close who our best recruiters are.
I appreciate the time you spent, I just don't think this really gives us anything meaningful.
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Do the guys who fall short in the "numbers" have less of a recruiting responsibility?
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Here's a stat you won't see anywhere else....the top 50 high players each year, only half make it to the NFL.
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He has that feel of someone who ends up playing at DT possibly immediately when he steps on campus. He is already 275-282 pounds (depending on Rivals vs 247) before he enters his senior year of high school. Definitely not out of the question to think he is 295-300 by the time the 2015 football season starts.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:25 PM   #4737
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Did Joe Robinson get credit for Kevin Crosby? Because, according to GC's in-depth write-up about the class, Robinson is the reason USC overcame Clemson's early lead. He developed a close relationship with Robinson, apparently. I thought that was interesting when I read it.
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Here's a stat you won't see anywhere else....the top 50 high players each year, only half make it to the NFL.
Interesting stat. I'd bet that the 50% in the top 50 kids is higher than all the subsequent groups of 50 kids....ex: 51-100, 101-150, 151-200,etc...... Rankings do matter to an extent.
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Now that would be a worthwhile piece of info

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Interesting stat. I'd bet that the 50% in the top 50 kids is higher than all the subsequent groups of 50 kids....ex: 51-100, 101-150, 151-200,etc...... Rankings do matter to an extent.
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Arden Key is #9, Minkah fitzpatrick is #12. We have good shot at both.
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