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Old 02-12-2014, 04:39 AM   #21
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I believe he will have a good enough 14 season to get the chance.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:28 AM   #22
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Default Re: Do you think Shaq leaves after this upcoming season?

Williamson, Sidney, Gurley, Alshon, Ace, Bruce. We seen it for quite awhile now.

I always think yes when it comes to our top Wr's and the chance to go early.
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Not so fast my friend. We'll have at least 3 new OL, a new QB who has yet to start a game, and 3 new WR who haven't proved anything at their position (Counting Cooper because he has what 3 career catches?)
as of right now, sure, but Noso or mitch or both will get snaps this year. I think davidson gets time, googer redshirts, and cooper blows up. While coop didnt have a ton of catches, he did show he is an elite athlete. I was mainly talking pure potential, and prior to last season, that is all Shaq Rolands discussion was.
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I wish people who keep asking these type questions all the time would leave. It gets a little old.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:16 AM   #25
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if we make it to atlanta and win...by all means. go ahead and see where he grades out. If not hopefully he'll return.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:32 AM   #26
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I think if he has a break out season or at least leads the team in catches he is gone.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:12 PM   #27
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This is simple game theory folks.

If you assume he stays and he leaves, you'll be disappointed. (a loss)

If you assume he leaves and he stays, it's a a bonus. (a win)
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With the rising trend of our players leaving early, and players leaving early across the board, I'd expect Roland to leave early if he is projected in the top 3 rounds. Unlike Ellington and Sanders, Roland has the ability to play himself into a 1st round pick, which could play into Roland returning for his senior season if he can improve his draft stock from Jr. year to Sr. year.
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Default Re: Do you think Shaq leaves after this upcoming season?

I don't see it happening. He is no way on par with Alson, Bruce or even Ace at this point. Shaq's skill set will need to improve dramatically. He is a talent.

Plus I see a lot more ball distribution next year with quality TE's, multiple play making WR's and it's yet to be seen with Williams catching balls out of the backfield if he is a 3rd down back.

In Shaq's favor however is Dylan liking to work the ball deep down the field.
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Ace and Bruce left early despite projections as mid-late round picks. Roland is likely a better prospect than either. Barring major injury, likely that he leaves.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:09 PM   #31
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His career numbers: 30 catches, 535 receiving yards, 6 TDs, just scream early round NFL draft pick.

No way he leaves.
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He's had a few good games. He still has a lot to prove.
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Old 02-12-2014, 02:10 PM   #33
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This is simple game theory folks.

If you assume he stays and he leaves, you'll be disappointed. (a loss)

If you assume he leaves and he stays, it's a a bonus. (a win)
I don't think you grasp game theory. Game theory would be used to decide if he leaves or stays or to figure out which decision someone should make and why. Your example doesn't really touch on that at all. Not trying to take you to task, I'm just trying to educate. I took it in college for two years. A really simple game is the prisoner's dilemma if you'd like to learn the basics of game theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
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He will be three years out of HS, so he could leave if he wanted. He still has lots to learn especially from a maturity standpoint, and another year at the college level would do good for him. Unless he goes for 900+ yards receiving, I don't see him grading higher than a fourth round pick in next year's draft. Another season could bump that up to the top three possibly two rounds. What are your thoughts about him staying or going?
I don't think it is even up for debate that it is in his best interest.

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I don't think you grasp game theory. Game theory would be used to decide if he leaves or stays or to figure out which decision someone should make and why. Your example doesn't really touch on that at all. Not trying to take you to task, I'm just trying to educate. I took it in college for two years. A really simple game is the prisoner's dilemma if you'd like to learn the basics of game theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
I think he is talking about board game theory. You know like you make a move and hope the other guy doesn't roll all sixes and fives. Then, when he doesn't, you survive the battle and reinforce, see?
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Dude will be all-SEC next year.
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If he has a shot of going pro it probably means we had a great season and I'll be happy.
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I don't think you grasp game theory. Game theory would be used to decide if he leaves or stays or to figure out which decision someone should make and why. Your example doesn't really touch on that at all. Not trying to take you to task, I'm just trying to educate. I took it in college for two years. A really simple game is the prisoner's dilemma if you'd like to learn the basics of game theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
Yeah, and you don't understand the gist of my post. I studied game theory with regards to animal behavior, natural selection and genetics. I feel I have enough of a background in it to apply it to this simple two outcome scenario...

So I'm not using game theory to try and rationalize Shaq's decision to stay or go. I'm using it try try and rationalize the fans expectations based on all moves Shaq could make after the end of next season. There are two possible scenarios for Shaq next year. He stays or he goes. Therefore there are also two scenarios for fan expectations regarding his decision, He stays or he goes.

If we pick "He stays" and "he stays" that meets our exceptions and that's a win.
If we pick "He stays" and "he goes" that does not meet our exceptions and that's a loss.
If we pick "He goes" and "he goes" that meets our exceptions and that's a win.
If we pick "He goes" and "he stays" that exceeds our exceptions and that's a win.

The only way we can lose "the game" is if we pick "he stays" and he then goes. That's why I said we should all assume he leaves.
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Yeah, and you don't understand the gist of my post. I studied game theory with regards to animal behavior, natural selection and genetics. I feel I have enough of a background in it to apply it to this simple two outcome scenario...

So I'm not using game theory to try and rationalize Shaq's decision to stay or go. I'm using it try try and rationalize the fans expectations based on all moves Shaq could make after the end of next season. There are two possible scenarios for Shaq next year. He stays or he goes. Therefore there are also two scenarios for fan expectations regarding his decision, He stays or he goes.

If we pick "He stays" and "he stays" that meets our exceptions and that's a win.
If we pick "He stays" and "he goes" that does not meet our exceptions and that's a loss.
If we pick "He goes" and "he goes" that meets our exceptions and that's a win.
If we pick "He goes" and "he stays" that exceeds our exceptions and that's a win.

The only way we can lose "the game" is if we pick "he stays" and he then goes. That's why I said we should all assume he leaves.
Ya, but in that game the only reward is our own perceived lack of sadness at his leaving. Typically, a game is constructed to solve a complex decision. In this case we aren't making a complex decision. We are deciding not to expect him to stay because then we won't be sad. No need to construct a game for that. I will give you kudos though, you definitely know game theory. If this were a tater discussion the response would just be a picture of corn.
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I think it is way way way too soon to even worry about this, I'm ready for baseball to start first!
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This situation is more akin to Pascal's Wager because of if you wager that Shaq leaves after this season, and you win, you are not disappointed, but you lose Shaq. If you wager that Shaq stays after this season, and you lose, you are disappointed and you lose Shaq. So banking on Shaq leaving is the result that pays out more.

But maybe this is more of a situation in which we have to appeal to consequences.
If P, then Q will occur.
Q is desirable.
Therefore, P is true.

If Shaq leaves early for the NFL, then he has likely had a great season.
Shaq having a great season is desirable.
Therefore, Shaq leaving early is true.
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