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Old 02-20-2014, 02:48 PM   #81
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I think this will be our D Line Depth Chart in August. I am sad to see Sawyer could not make it in this year.

DE: Dixon / Thomas / Johnson / Turner
DT: Surratt / Lamin / Dukes / Stallsworth
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Product on the field goes a lot farther than street credit in my book. I guess we will see the product this coming year. I must say it takes a lot of credit to become the DL coach at Uf.
Because Muschamp has done such a good job down there?
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Because Muschamp has done such a good job down there?
Well being that his defense has been nothing short of excellent I would say he has done an amazing job on D.

Not so much on Offense. Not sure if he will ever figure out that those gimmick offenses don't fair to well in the SEC...
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Well being that his defense has been nothing short of excellent I would say he has done an amazing job on D.

Not so much on Offense. Not sure if he will ever figure out that those gimmick offenses don't fair to well in the SEC...
I would not say his defense has been "nothing short of excellent." They have been wildly inconsistent. The only thing consistent is that he has good talent.
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Can't lie. I'm a little worried about the DE position. Hope English can get bigger.
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I would not say his defense has been "nothing short of excellent." They have been wildly inconsistent. The only thing consistent is that he has good talent.
Not sure what your talking about.... The following is the total defense rankings for 2010, 11, 12, and 13.. in the SEC

2010= #2

2011= #5

2012= #1

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I think this will be our D Line Depth Chart in August. I am sad to see Sawyer could not make it in this year.

DE: Dixon / Thomas / Johnson / Turner
DT: Surratt / Lamin / Dukes / Stallsworth
DT: Dixon Jr. / Griffin / Green / Wideman
DE: English / Harris / Cooper / D. Washington
What make everybody think that Lamin will pass Dukes. Dukes has been in every game last year and play well. Lamin came from juco and play against less competition and everyone think he will be the man remember Dukes has a offer from Alabama to
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Not sure what your talking about.... The following is the total defense rankings for 2010, 11, 12, and 13.. in the SEC

2010= #2

2011= #5

2012= #1

2013= #2
1. Muschamp became coach in Dec. of 2010, so I'm not sure if you would credit that season to him?

2. Allowing 429 rush yards against a FCS team (Georgia Southern) and getting your doors blown off against Florida State would be what I consider inconsistent, and that's just this year. Sure it looks good statistically. The old saying is there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I know the offense didn't help them much, but since when does the head coach not get blamed for the total team performance?

3. Their record over the 3 years he has been head coach:

2011 - 7-6
2012 - 11-2
2013 - 4-8

Total record of 22-16


Their defense hasn't been horrible, I never said they were. I said they were inconsistent, and that is true. There are some teams they have played absolutely horribly against. Overall they are a VERY good defense. It is also true that their offense can't throw it in the ocean or hit the ground if they dropped the ball, so maybe they thought it wasn't worth playing well on defense to lose anyway. That certainly did happen several other games. But that is still a reflection of one Will Muschamp. He makes a great D Coordinator, and a bad head coach.
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What make everybody think that Lamin will pass Dukes. Dukes has been in every game last year and play well. Lamin came from juco and play against less competition and everyone think he will be the man remember Dukes has a offer from Alabama to
I don't think one person constitutes everybody. Dukes was recruited with great fanfare and we all celebrated when he came here just as much as we did for Lamin, maybe more so in Dukes case.

If Dukes is working in the off season like Melvin Ingram did when he was at Carolina, Dukes is going to be an awesome tackle and cannot be beat out for his starting job.

Nevertheless, there is going to be a rotation at DT. If Lamin is as good as they say, he should get some decent PT.
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What make everybody think that Lamin will pass Dukes. Dukes has been in every game last year and play well. Lamin came from juco and play against less competition and everyone think he will be the man remember Dukes has a offer from Alabama to
You are right. We know what we are getting with Dukes but we have to wait to see for spring training to see what Lamin can do for us. In my opinion LB and Tackle are going to be the most competitive positions on defense.
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What make everybody think that Lamin will pass Dukes. Dukes has been in every game last year and play well. Lamin came from juco and play against less competition and everyone think he will be the man remember Dukes has a offer from Alabama to
Dukes is a highly talented player. In my opinion there is not a lot of separation between several of our interior lineman. I hope spring practice will change this observation. I like Dukes but my opinion is based on Ward saying that "We're doing some things to try to help him get in better shape. Phillip has shown signs of being a consistent player. He also needs to grow as much as he has grown since he's been here during the upcoming season. Phillip showed signs last season of being a tackle that can help us win games here."

Ward said the light has come on for him but I just want to see how far he has gotten.
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1. Muschamp became coach in Dec. of 2010, so I'm not sure if you would credit that season to him?

2. Allowing 429 rush yards against a FCS team (Georgia Southern) and getting your doors blown off against Florida State would be what I consider inconsistent, and that's just this year. Sure it looks good statistically. The old saying is there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I know the offense didn't help them much, but since when does the head coach not get blamed for the total team performance?

3. Their record over the 3 years he has been head coach:

2011 - 7-6
2012 - 11-2
2013 - 4-8

Total record of 22-16


Their defense hasn't been horrible, I never said they were. I said they were inconsistent, and that is true. There are some teams they have played absolutely horribly against. Overall they are a VERY good defense. It is also true that their offense can't throw it in the ocean or hit the ground if they dropped the ball, so maybe they thought it wasn't worth playing well on defense to lose anyway. That certainly did happen several other games. But that is still a reflection of one Will Muschamp. He makes a great D Coordinator, and a bad head coach.
This is what I think is going on. There defense was on the field so much that Im surprised that they only allowed that many yards. As far as muschump goes, his head coaching abilities are laughable.
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I am of the opinion we are going to have our pressure up the middle of the line this year from the interior or from blitzing linebackers/safeties. The DE's we have are more suited to containing the outside rush and playing their assignment. I think this means more man to man coverage on the corners, so you will see a few more big plays given up this year as that unit gets baptized by fire. This will be a different looking defense from years past with Clowney and company in my opinion, but overall I think it will be effective.

Not a coach, just giving my opinion.
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Meh. I never thought Lawing did that well in his interviews. Kind of an uninspiring type of guy.

I haven't heard enough interviews with Deke to have an opinion. However, he seems to have the players ear whenever they show him on the sidelines in the games. Deke also has more street cred as a DL coach than Lawing based upon his background. So, I am respectfully disagreeing with you and I have good reasons for disagreeing with you.
I have to disagree with you my friend. Lawing was not good at interviews or media but he is in another league when it comes to coaching D-Line. Other coaches could pick up the slack at recruiting but Lawing was a great D-line coach. Deke does not have more street credit. No one cares if he played D-line. Almost all these kids have heard of Lawing by the time they finished their senior year. He is one of the Top Dline coaches in the SEC. He demands respect on the field. I think in time Deke will be good also but right now he is not on the same level.
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I'm hoping for big things out of dukes this year
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I have to disagree with you my friend. Lawing was not good at interviews or media but he is in another league when it comes to coaching D-Line. Other coaches could pick up the slack at recruiting but Lawing was a great D-line coach. Deke does not have more street credit. No one cares if he played D-line. Almost all these kids have heard of Lawing by the time they finished their senior year. He is one of the Top Dline coaches in the SEC. He demands respect on the field. I think in time Deke will be good also but right now he is not on the same level.
Agree completely. Just because we have a new coach doesn't mean he's automatically better than the last one. Notice Clowney talked about Lawing's coaching abilities and not Deke's in his interview today. He pushes his players more than Deke does. That's a fact.
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I'm speculating:

DE: Dixon / D. Washington/ Johnson/ Turner/ Richie
DT: Surratt / Lamin /Griffin / Stallsworth
DT: Dukes /Dixon Jr. / Green/ McClain
DE: Thomas / English / Harris / Cooper/ Wideman

Wouldn't be surprised to see Turner or Johnson back at linebacker if the middle gets thin or beef is needed.
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I'm speculating:

DE: Dixon / D. Washington/ Johnson/ Turner/ Richie
DT: Surratt / Lamin /Griffin / Stallsworth
DT: Dukes /Dixon Jr. / Green/ McClain
DE: Thomas / English / Harris / Cooper/ Wideman

Wouldn't be surprised to see Turner or Johnson back at linebacker if the middle gets thin or beef is needed.
There are a few glaring flaws in your predictions that I think you overlooked.
1) Why do you think Thomas will start over English when English is already 240 and the will be the best athlete on the Dline.
2) This will be Griffins second year in the program. In my observation he is the most physically gifted tackle that we have. Do you really believe he will be a third stringer.
3) Although I like Washington, I look at him like a pure freshman because of the time he lost with the head injury. I do not think this is his year to pass Johnson and Turner (two players that are physically ready to contribute)
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English is a fine athlete. I think he will be a good pass rusher and likely a fixture on 2nd and third and long. Teams that attack us on the ground will test the edges, and i don't think English seals the edge the way Thomas may with his bigger frame. Losing Quarles and Clowney will likely usher in more subbing on our DL (especially if the Saban rule holds). I think Sutton will be more easily replaced with Dixon44 showing good all-around play last year, but leaving open the need for a pass rusher behind him. I think either Griffin or Lamin could pass Surratt (or Dukes/Dixon Jr), but I think all will be in the mix even in close games. Against drop-back passing teams, I expect a lot of English and maybe some Harris on the edges. We will have to see who-all show the best pass-rush chops this spring and summer.
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I think this will be our D Line Depth Chart in August. I am sad to see Sawyer could not make it in this year.

DE: Dixon / Thomas / Johnson / Turner
DT: Surratt / Lamin / Dukes / Stallsworth
DT: Dixon Jr. / Griffin / Green / Wideman
DE: English / Harris / Cooper / D. Washington
Assuming Wideman qualifies, he will be a DE in 2014. Several of these will be gone after the spring semester.
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