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Old 02-25-2014, 12:50 PM   #181
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Vic has some baggage, but he's a very good CB - period, and those aren't easy to come by. He'll have a long career somewhere.
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:11 PM   #182
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Considering his background, many on here thought Hampton would never last at Carolina. He turned his life around and proved everyone wrong. His problems on the field was he tried to do too much and played out of position sometimes, which is why Whammy had to sit him for part of a game. He's quick, strong, can cover well, and likes contact. I think he'll do very well in the NFL.....and I couldn't be happier for him.
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Old 02-25-2014, 03:56 PM   #183
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Vic has some baggage, but he's a very good CB - period, and those aren't easy to come by. He'll have a long career somewhere.
He has no baggage whatsoever. Vic has done a great job as a Gamecock, helping kids, interacting with fans, and being a great teammate. I don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you can explain.
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:00 PM   #184
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Based on official times, our guys ranked as following:

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With the officials, Vic and Connor are reversed. (They adjusted Vic's official to 4.68 sec)
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:59 PM   #185
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Vic wouldn't get any faster staying, hope he has better time in pro day.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:21 PM   #186
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Hampton's official was 4.69.....how did a 4.50 go to 4.69
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:35 PM   #187
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Hampton's official was 4.69.....how did a 4.50 go to 4.69
just like how Shaw went from the fastest QB to the 4th fastest doesnt make any sense
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:44 PM   #188
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Hampton's official was 4.69.....how did a 4.50 go to 4.69
The unofficials are hand timed.

Btw- teams use their ow hand times and not the combine official time.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:07 PM   #189
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The unofficials are hand timed.

Btw- teams use their ow hand times and not the combine official time.
Yea I know a bunch of the "old time" coaches go by what they have on their hand timers. For all we know according to one coach, clowney could have ran a 4.43
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He has no baggage whatsoever. Vic has done a great job as a Gamecock, helping kids, interacting with fans, and being a great teammate. I don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you can explain.
I think he's referring to before he got into school, not really after so much. That's not really nfl baggage though and he shouldn't have any issues.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:03 AM   #191
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I think he's referring to before he got into school, not really after so much. That's not really nfl baggage though and he shouldn't have any issues.
In 2011 he was suspended from the team for the first 3 games.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:13 AM   #192
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just like how Shaw went from the fastest QB to the 4th fastest doesnt make any sense
And Ellington went from a 4.31 to a 4.45. But somehow the highy touted Cooks only drops from a 4.30 to a 4.33. The 40 must be a judging competition now.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:46 AM   #193
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Game time film should answer any questions.
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:24 AM   #194
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Why can't the electronic time get put on the board after each player runs. By doing it the way they do now, it almost allows for some degree of skepticism.
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Old 02-26-2014, 03:15 AM   #195
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Deion was impressed with Vic. He kept saying how he looked like a banger.

That's something to have Prime Time impressed with you.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:21 AM   #196
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Why can't the electronic time get put on the board after each player runs. By doing it the way they do now, it almost allows for some degree of skepticism.
Something is very fishy about the way the combine is handling their "official" times.

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Here is what happens to get the 40 times at the Combine that are revealed:
--Those who participate in the 40 actually run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement).
--Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time.

Team scouts and coaches have various approaches for reaching agreement on a 40 time they use from those six timings. Some use averages. Some throw out slowest and fastest and then average the rest. Some ignore the whole thing and use a time taken by their own scout.
Combine experimenting with 40-yard dash timing

The article states that the actual electronic data is not being released. It also suggests that the initial start on the 40 is subject to human reaction time. That is why you see slower times for the official. The button on the stop watch is started on first movement manually.

Personally, I believe that some agents and the owners have connections with the media and maybe the NFL Combine. The owners can now use the slow "official" times to argue that the player is too slow and they will not pay him as much as he wants. It is a negotiation tool.

I think the media types like Sapp may have connections to an agent so he is pumping up his agent friend's clients and running down others who may compete for a draft slot with that agent's clients. This is all pure speculation.

I would be interested to know who which agent represents a player or players who benefit from demeaning Clowney, Vic, or Shaw. That may tell you who Sapp is beholden to in some of his obviously wrong and biased remarks.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:26 AM   #197
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Deion was impressed with Vic. He kept saying how he looked like a banger.

That's something to have Prime Time impressed with you.
Deion is impressed by any troubled teen trying to make it to the NFL. For example, Noel Devine whom he adopted and let live with him for a while. He's even got a boarding school for at-risk teens. So he's definitely going to hype up anyone with a trouble past trying to make it.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:30 AM   #198
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Something is very fishy about the way the combine is handling their "official" times.



Combine experimenting with 40-yard dash timing

The article states that the actual electronic data is not being released. It also suggests that the initial start on the 40 is subject to human reaction time. That is why you see slower times for the official. The button on the stop watch is started on first movement manually.

Personally, I believe that some agents and the owners have connections with the media and maybe the NFL Combine. The owners can now use the slow "official" times to argue that the player is too slow and they will not pay him as much as he wants. It is a negotiation tool.

I think the media types like Sapp may have connections to an agent so he is pumping up his agent friend's clients and running down others who may compete for a draft slot with that agent's clients. This is all pure speculation.

I would be interested to know who which agent represents a player or players who benefit from demeaning Clowney, Vic, or Shaw. That may tell you who Sapp is beholden to in some of his obviously wrong and biased remarks.
It's sounds just like the stock market. You have guys with vested interest in a stock (player) doing bad to get it at a good price so you go around and trash talk that stock to get people to abandon it and then buy it at a lower price. I would almost guarantee that goes on to some degree.

I would think the electronic time would be quicker then hand timers just because it removes any reflex times. If you want a true representation of the 40 time you would have to have the same guy time every player which would make them all relative.
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Something is very fishy about the way the combine is handling their "official" times.



Combine experimenting with 40-yard dash timing

The article states that the actual electronic data is not being released. It also suggests that the initial start on the 40 is subject to human reaction time. That is why you see slower times for the official. The button on the stop watch is started on first movement manually.

Personally, I believe that some agents and the owners have connections with the media and maybe the NFL Combine. The owners can now use the slow "official" times to argue that the player is too slow and they will not pay him as much as he wants. It is a negotiation tool.

I think the media types like Sapp may have connections to an agent so he is pumping up his agent friend's clients and running down others who may compete for a draft slot with that agent's clients. This is all pure speculation.

I would be interested to know who which agent represents a player or players who benefit from demeaning Clowney, Vic, or Shaw. That may tell you who Sapp is beholden to in some of his obviously wrong and biased remarks.
Electronic times always will and always have been slower than hand clocked times. Plus with the new draft "slotting" there really isn't that much variance between the higher and lower price paid for any given draft pick. Please remove your tinfoil hat.
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