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Old 02-26-2014, 08:22 PM   #21
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Default Re: Clowney inadvertently swipes at Deke?

Hold the phone, did any of you actually see the interview with Clowney where he made this comment? He was answering a question about how he could handle a particular in-your-face NFL position coach and he said, yeah I had one like that, Brad Lawing. Not a slap at Deke, but a contrast in styles and JD affirming that he can handle such a coach. Molehill, meet the Mt. BS.
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Raise your hand if you were at all the practices and know exactly what went down.
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The few times I met Lawing I didn't like him and thought he was an asshole. But he was a damn good dl coach. You could see the improvement in Clowney from year one to year two. I think we took a big step backwards with Adams.
If you don't think Clowney influenced everything about the game when he was in, just read the NFL combine report on Kelcey Quarles.
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I hadn't really thought about it much until now. Could it be that Clowney's failure to get to the QB last year was more about coaching than at the time we appreciated?
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Sounds like he knew what kind of mentor he needed. No harm in that. If he was able to identify it then so should have the coaches. That's just part of being a coach, especially at that level. IMO
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:29 PM   #30
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That being said, essentially blaming your coaches for not pushing you is a really poor excuse and may be harder to defend than his on field play last year. Not sure what he is trying to accomplish. He says he pushed himself after Lawing left, but his play said otherwise. IMHO he should have simply said he took last year off and is now ready to work that he is entering the NFL. I understand he is getting lots of questions about his effort and work ethic, but passing blame is not the answer. Makes him look bad.

He is telling teams unless you have a coach who pushes me, I am not disciplined enough to get after it by my self.
BS...Clowney's not blaming anyone...some of you people just love to take a casual comment and turn it into something it's not.
The guy just turned 21...he doesn't have a politically correct answer for every question and no, he's not running for president.
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Well spoken my friend. Couldn't agree with you more.
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There is no doubt that Clowney needs someone or something to give him a push every now and then.
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The few times I met Lawing I didn't like him and thought he was an asshole. But he was a damn good dl coach. You could see the improvement in Clowney from year one to year two. I think we took a big step backwards with Adams.
If you don't think Clowney influenced everything about the game when he was in, just read the NFL combine report on Kelcey Quarles.
It's got nothing to do with Adams.
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:41 AM   #34
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So what really happened in Athens?
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:14 AM   #35
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Some of you people did not watch his interview that is linked to the blog post. Basically, the Blog post is a UF homer's attempt to pump up Lawing as their DL coach. Lawing is a good coach. His situation was such that he could not continue at USC, and we all understand now why he decided to leave.

The comments by Clowney were simply to illustrate to the media that he was able to handle hard coaching, such as what he will encounter at Houston. Clowney just explained that he has already experienced it with Lawing.

About the only thing you can draw from that is that Deke's style is not the same as Lawing in how he relates to players. Deke cannot try to be Lawing. He is Deke. I guarantee you that if he does not act like himself Deke will not be as effective.

Is he a bad DL coach? I haven't heard Spurrier or Ward say that he is crappy. Therefore, since I trust both of those coaches more than the Internet couch coaches, I think I will disregard all the hand wringing in this thread.
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cmon yazoo you have to look beyond the words to find the deeper meaning within. clowney obviously didnt care this year (look at his numbers), and deke is a bad dline coach (look at the dline's numbers).
thats my dumb response before somebody else makes it. now my real response. people have got to get off this everything was perfect under lawing and deke ran everything into the ground nonsense. that was a veteran front 7 in 2012, starters and backups. 2 of the 7 starters returned in 2013 including none of the two deep at lb. we lost 2 of our top 4 at de including 2 players off the rabbit package. aldrick fordham was 2nd on the team last year in sacks, devin taylor was 2nd on the team in tackles for loss.

youre talking losing big byron and the backers off that defense that helped get us in pass rushing situations and talented veteran group to take pressure off clowney. many were projecting chaz to plug right into devin taylor's old spot and be better, for whatever reason that didnt happen. remember that most of sutton's damage in 2012 was done from that inside rush position in the rabbit package. this idea that everything could have been left on autopilot and ran smoothly or that if lawing was here we wouldnt have had issues replacing the talent we lost is a fallacy.

deke's job doesnt get any easier going into next year because going back to at least 2009 that we dont return at least one all sec dlineman. the positive over last year if our tweeners get big enough and enough of the newcomers get into school is we should have more depth at end than we had this year. its not going to be an easy job but it gives me some hope.
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Some of you people did not watch his interview that is linked to the blog post. Basically, the Blog post is a UF homer's attempt to pump up Lawing as their DL coach. Lawing is a good coach. His situation was such that he could not continue at USC, and we all understand now why he decided to leave.

The comments by Clowney were simply to illustrate to the media that he was able to handle hard coaching, such as what he will encounter at Houston. Clowney just explained that he has already experienced it with Lawing.

About the only thing you can draw from that is that Deke's style is not the same as Lawing in how he relates to players. Deke cannot try to be Lawing. He is Deke. I guarantee you that if he does not act like himself Deke will not be as effective.

Is he a bad DL coach? I haven't heard Spurrier or Ward say that he is crappy. Therefore, since I trust both of those coaches more than the Internet couch coaches, I think I will disregard all the hand wringing in this thread.
Pretty well said.

JC has admitted he wished he'd listened to his coaches more. That would include Lawing.

I can certainly see where it's tough to push yourself as a player when guys were saying he could play in the NFL straight out of high school.

At the time, Lawing was probably the best thing for JC, but his approach doesn't work with all players, and all coaches don't use his approach.

Lawing left because of his own actions and personal decisions. I don't think JC would've played any differently this past season if Lawing had still been here, and I don't agree with those who think Deke is a bad coach.
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I don't think JC would've played any differently this past season if Lawing had still been here...
I do. I think Brad would have kicked his butt....Brad wanted him drafted #1. And Brad has no one to blame but himself for missing out on it. I'm also sure that Brad is painfully aware of all of this.

I hope Jadeveon goes to Houston and they kick his butt...sounds like Jadeveon wants that & that's what coaches are supposed to do. They kick his butt and he might eventually be a huge playmaker at the next level.
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I do. I think Brad would have kicked his butt....Brad wanted him drafted #1. And Brad has no one to blame but himself for missing out on it. I'm also sure that Brad is painfully aware of all of this.
Just a different perspective.

JC was already being told if he sat out the entire year he'd have a great chance of being #1.

So what good is Lawing yelling at or "being tough on him" going to do?

You can bench a Freshman or Sophomore. You aren't going to bench a Junior who is being talked about as being the #1 pick, the attention from ESPN and the rest of the media would be overwhelming.

The drive has to come from inside the player. If he doesn't have it, you might be able to squeeze more out at times, but if he doesn't want to push harder he won't.

Which explains why even with Lawing pushing him for two years, SOS and Ward still commented before this year that JC took too mnay plays off.
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The few times I met Lawing I didn't like him and thought he was an asshole. But he was a damn good dl coach. You could see the improvement in Clowney from year one to year two. I think we took a big step backwards with Adams.
If you don't think Clowney influenced everything about the game when he was in, just read the NFL combine report on Kelcey Quarles.
I agree. Kelcey greatly benefitted by having CLown to his right and he REAAAALLLY needed another year of college. His draft stock has plummeted. I wish him the best of luck though.
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