Bandwagon Fans

[gamecockguy]

Originally Posted by Carolina4Life

Bandwagon fans, I would like to say that once Frank Martin turns our program around, please do not bother coming to games. It's going to take Frank just as much time as it did Spurrier to make us top competitors in the SEC. Maybe not even that long but he will get it done. Support the program now! It really needs it. Go Cocks!

I went to games throughout the Odom and Horn eras. I don't expect to be called a fair weather fan if Martin gives us a winning program just because I decided getting worked up and wasting time on shit teams wasn't worth it

[treys1986]

I love the Gamecocks. I love Gamecock basketball. I have only been able to make 1 game this season, and I'm thinking about making the womens game tonight.

I just think our fan base has grown almost disinterested in our basketball program. Like, they almost feel like their is no hope. I know I have grown increasingly frustrated as the season has grown on. After the A&M game, I thought that maybe we had turned a corner. Then we went to Oxford and jumped up on them by 14 points in the 2nd half, and I thought that maybe we were about to start moving in the right direction. Long story short, we blew that lead, lost that game, and seems like things have never recovered. I don't think our fans are bandwagon fans. I think our fans have a legitimate gripe about our basketball program. There is absolutely ZERO reason for a school with our resources, with an arena like we have, to go 10 years between tournament berths. Just should not happen.

[bigdog2003]

I haven't been to a game this year, and only made 1 last year. Not because I don't want to go, but because my schedule is so packed during the season because it is also high school wrestling season. Once our season starts, I don't have time to do much else. Before I became a head coach, I went to almost all the games, but just can't get there now.

[eaglegolf018]

Originally Posted by spareparts

Telling "bandwagon fans" not to follow our basketball team is sorta wild... at this point we should take all the fans we can get

This

[ipull4usc]

It's ridiculous to call out bandwagon fans and tell them not to come when we start winning:

1. We've been horrendous at basketball for 40 years, barring a few rare seasons (particularly 2 seasons in the 90s, both of which ended in shocking and humiliating 1st round defeats). We play in a football first-conference in which we're unquestionably the worst basketball program, and have been by every quantifiable metric since we joined in 1992. Of course we have bandwagon fans

2. We can use all the fan support we can get. I don't care who the support is coming from, whether it be bandwagoners, communists, whoever; we should take anyone on board that can stomach following this program.

[USCBASEBALL1]

Originally Posted by tigertime86

Clemson used to have a problem with attendance when we were bad at basketball. Now we have a packed house every game and one of the most intimidating environments in college basketball. It's hard to tell who the fair weather fans were now

You must not have been at the NC State game at home the other night. I was their and Littlejohn was maybe 30% full.

[ReadR00ster]

So if we actually do start winning next year and the fans all show up, what are people going to actually say?

1. "Look at all these terrible fans that came out today just because we are winning. GO HOME! WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE! Where were you all when we sucked?!"

or

2. "Wow look at this great crowd today! Frank Martin is a doing a good job! South Carolina has great fans, really avid! This is good to see!"

This whole argument is laughable.

[Roosterboy]

It has been a rough season...a lot of us knew it was going to be rough...last night took a lot of air out of people I think after the team was playing so well two weeks ago.

Just have to try to finish this season on a positive note and then start getting ready for next season.

[Roosterboy]

Originally Posted by USCBASEBALL1

You must not have been at the NC State game at home the other night. I was their and Littlejohn was maybe 30% full.

Seeing how radio up here is trying to think of ways to get their students to show up, I think Clemson still has a problem.

At least we can take solice in this fact...Brownell has been there long enough to get his guys in and run his system, and they are an average team, much worse than they were under Purnell.

Martin is just in his second year, with a team full of freshman.
Next year will be telling for Martin, and I think we will see a lot more wins. And with as bad as the SEC is, a few good breaks, Carolina could make the tournament. Yes, because the SEC is that lousy a basketball conference outside of Florida and Kentucky.

[ipull4usc]

Originally Posted by Roosterboy

Next year will be telling for Martin, and I think we will see a lot more wins. And with as bad as the SEC is, a few good breaks, Carolina could make the tournament. Yes, because the SEC is that lousy a basketball conference outside of Florida and Kentucky.

I admire your optimism, even though I don't share it. Why do you think we'll be tremendously improved next year? We currently have the worst post play in the SEC and we're not bringing in any post recruits. Do you think the guys on the roster will improve night and day before next season? And who do you think will replace Brenton's scoring ability?

Just interested in hearing from folks who think we'll be significantly improved next year. I personally think next year will be about the same as this year because of the terrible post play.

[baitandswitch]

Originally Posted by ipull4usc

I admire your optimism, even though I don't share it. Why do you think we'll be tremendously improved next year? We currently have the worst post play in the SEC and we're not bringing in any post recruits. Do you think the guys on the roster will improve night and day before next season? And who do you think will replace Brenton's scoring ability?

Just interested in hearing from folks who think we'll be significantly improved next year. I personally think next year will be about the same as this year because of the terrible post play.

Yeah we get it. You like to pick and choose which stats you want to look at to define improvement, and then ignore people when they blow your reasoning out the water. Get out of here man!

[garnetgolfr]

Winning cures all...

Who cares if they are bandwagon or not. If they are paying money for the ticket, filling the seat, that's a win at this point for basketball. This team needs all the support they can get. Filling an arena that size for concerts is realistic. Filling an arena that size for SEC basketball outside of Lexington, KY? Ehhhh not sure that was a good idea. I was of the faction that thought renovating The Coliseum was a better idea instead of the CLA. Its beautiful, don't get me wrong but its not practical for our program.

[ipull4usc]

Originally Posted by baitandswitch

Yeah we get it. You like to pick and choose which stats you want to look at to define improvement, and then ignore people when they blow your reasoning out the water. Get out of here man!

What the hell are you talking about?

Firstly, I posed a question for Roosterboy because I was interested in hearing his reasoning for why we'll be improved next year.

Secondly, where have you or anyone "blown my reasoning out of the water" regarding my concerns about our post play? Nearly everyone who doesn't have their head in the sand recognizes we have serious issues in the post. Quite a few people, including myself, are troubled by both the post players currently on the roster and the fact that zero post recruits are coming in. L-Chat's minimal improvement doesn't change the fact that we're discussing a player who averages less than 5 points a game. Do you honestly think that's going to get it done in the post? He's been in the system for 2 years and is averaging roughly the same amount of points and rebounds this year as last year. Your advanced metrics show he's become a more efficient player, but again, we're talking about the efficiency of a player who ranks 93rd in the SEC in scoring and 59th in rebounding. Additionally, Kacinas has been playing better this year, but do you honestly think this guy has a high upside? Do you honestly think he's going to develop into the solid, SEC-quality post player we so desperately need? I'd say he's solidly filling a role right now, and if we need him to do any more than that then we're in trouble.

[2four2Gamecock]

Originally Posted by ipull4usc

I admire your optimism, even though I don't share it. Why do you think we'll be tremendously improved next year? We currently have the worst post play in the SEC and we're not bringing in any post recruits. Do you think the guys on the roster will improve night and day before next season? And who do you think will replace Brenton's scoring ability?

Just interested in hearing from folks who think we'll be significantly improved next year. I personally think next year will be about the same as this year because of the terrible post play.

Why do you say we are not bringing in any post recruits? The class is not complete yet is it?

[CockNBlythewood]

Originally Posted by Carolina4Life

Bandwagon fans, I would like to say that once Frank Martin turns our program around, please do not bother coming to games. It's going to take Frank just as much time as it did Spurrier to make us top competitors in the SEC. Maybe not even that long but he will get it done. Support the program now! It really needs it. Go Cocks!

I'm glad we have such a fair and well-liked officer of fanhood on our side. Tell us, how can we be better fans, oh wise one?

[treys1986]

Originally Posted by tigertime86

Clemson used to have a problem with attendance when we were bad at basketball. Now we have a packed house every game and one of the most intimidating environments in college basketball. It's hard to tell who the fair weather fans were now

No way you believe this. I have watched several Clemson basketball games this year and have yet to see one that was a "packed house."

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by Roosterboy

It has been a rough season...a lot of us knew it was going to be rough...last night took a lot of air out of people I think after the team was playing so well two weeks ago.

Just have to try to finish this season on a positive note and then start getting ready for next season.

Or get ready to deal with finishing the season on a negative note. If you want to beat adversity you have to face it head on, you can't ignore the elephant in the room and think things will just get better.

[ReadR00ster]

Originally Posted by garnetgolfr

Winning cures all...

Who cares if they are bandwagon or not. If they are paying money for the ticket, filling the seat, that's a win at this point for basketball. This team needs all the support they can get. Filling an arena that size for concerts is realistic. Filling an arena that size for SEC basketball outside of Lexington, KY? Ehhhh not sure that was a good idea. I was of the faction that thought renovating The Coliseum was a better idea instead of the CLA. Its beautiful, don't get me wrong but its not practical for our program.

Off Topic. In your sig I didn't realize Jordan Diggs got punked by a guy much smaller than him in that play.

[baitandswitch]

Originally Posted by ipull4usc

What the hell are you talking about?

Firstly, I posed a question for Roosterboy because I was interested in hearing his reasoning for why we'll be improved next year.

Secondly, where have you or anyone "blown my reasoning out of the water" regarding my concerns about our post play? Nearly everyone who doesn't have their head in the sand recognizes we have serious issues in the post. Quite a few people, including myself, are troubled by both the post players currently on the roster and the fact that zero post recruits are coming in. L-Chat's minimal improvement doesn't change the fact that we're discussing a player who averages less than 5 points a game. Do you honestly think that's going to get it done in the post? He's been in the system for 2 years and is averaging roughly the same amount of points and rebounds this year as last year. Your advanced metrics show he's become a more efficient player, but again, we're talking about the efficiency of a player who ranks 93rd in the SEC in scoring and 59th in rebounding. Additionally, Kacinas has been playing better this year, but do you honestly think this guy has a high upside? Do you honestly think he's going to develop into the solid, SEC-quality post player we so desperately need? I'd say he's solidly filling a role right now, and if we need him to do any more than that then we're in trouble.

I honestly think you have no idea what you're talking about. That you pick and choose what you want to support your idea instead of showing all the facts, and that you're delusional enough to buy into whatever kool-aid you've been drinking. Have a nice day!

[ipull4usc]

Originally Posted by baitandswitch

I honestly think you have no idea what you're talking about. That you pick and choose what you want to support your idea instead of showing all the facts, and that you're delusional enough to buy into whatever kool-aid you've been drinking. Have a nice day!

Once again, you continue to evade any conversation about the future of our post play or the points I've brought up. Instead you've thrown a few not-so-clever barbs in response to a post I directed at another poster. Have a nice day as well.