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Old 02-27-2014, 11:51 AM   #41
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To me it's dumb to admit you can't motivate yourself. I prefer a thinking man's coach, like Spurrier or Cutcliffe.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:54 AM   #42
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Clowney - as good as he is - bought into his own hype. Yes he is without a doubt a great player but we certainly did not get his best this year imo. Yes teams game planned against him but that happens with all great players in College. I think Deke will be a fine Coach and folks saying different based on Clowneys 2013 performance have no clue.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:58 AM   #43
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So what good is Lawing yelling at or "being tough on him" going to do?
He respected Brad...it's a relationship....Brad was his coach.
And I have no proof, but will always believe Brad leaving impacted Jadeveon's last year.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:05 PM   #44
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To me it's dumb to admit you can't motivate yourself. I prefer a thinking man's coach, like Spurrier or Cutcliffe.
I have problems motivating myself...guess that's dumb.
I have problems motivating myself to go work out.
I have problems motivating myself to eat better and eat less.
I have problems motivating myself at work when things are slow and I'd have to go looking for something to do.

How about you?
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i dont think he was making excuses or that he mailed it in last year. maybe hes being truly genuine that lawing was the guy he really wanted to thank and it makes sense considering he spent two years under him and was recruited by him. the other way of looking at it is he's saying hes coachable and if you try to push him he will respond.


of course it doesnt look great for deke, but it is what it is. kelcey went from a solid starter to all sec under deke.
Kelcy became All SEC because of JD getting all of the attention on the other side, not because of Deke.
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So Deke gets the credit for Clowney not being as good this year but doesnt get the credit for Quarles being All-SEC.

That doesnt seem fair....cant have it both ways.

We lost two games this past season with young, inexperienced LB's and problems at the beginning of the year in the secondary.

I would say Deke did at least a good job and will reserve ultimate judgement for when he gets all his own guys in here.
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Welcome to the off season, where fans claim a coach is dissed because a former player say nothing about him at all.

I guess this is why all the NASCAR guy do the sponsor rundown in victory lane?
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:49 PM   #48
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I agree. Kelcey greatly benefitted by having CLown to his right and he REAAAALLLY needed another year of college. His draft stock has plummeted. I wish him the best of luck though.
You don't think Clowney benefitted from playing with Devin Taylor and Melvin Ingram and Traivian Robertson and Byron Jerideau and better LBs and DBs his first two years? If you don't think think Deke is a good coach you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't see the solid foundation to base that on.
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If you guys want to watch Clowney's entire interview, it's on the Texans site.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...d-3fc089051096
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:12 PM   #50
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I do. I think Brad would have kicked his butt....Brad wanted him drafted #1. And Brad has no one to blame but himself for missing out on it. I'm also sure that Brad is painfully aware of all of this.

I hope Jadeveon goes to Houston and they kick his butt...sounds like Jadeveon wants that & that's what coaches are supposed to do. They kick his butt and he might eventually be a huge playmaker at the next level.
Your argument assumes that Clowney was unmotivated and took off plays. This is the Clemson media spin and it is bullsh*t. I watched all the games and Clowney gave great effort on just about every play.

SEC teams ran in the opposite direction. Some tried quick passing. Others ran options at him. He was often double and triple teamed on downfield passing plays, which is why Quarles erupted.

With Deke as DL coach, USC ranked second in scoring defense, third in pass defense, and fifth in overall defense according to the SEC. That is a pretty good defensive effort, especially considering we were playing freshmen linebackers and breaking in two new defensive line starters after losing two to the NFL draft.

PS: Clowney was often out of position in his first two years, and his tendency to free lance was exploited in the running game. He just wasn't as much under a microscope so only but the most die hard Gamecock fan would have noticed it. I think he actually played substantially better this year in terms of not over-running plays and free lancing.
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I think we should over-analyze the h**l out of this statement. Oh wait...
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Your argument assumes that Clowney was unmotivated and took off plays.
Your "arguement" assumes I assumed something I did not.
Go listed to Jadeveon's comments himself then form your own assumptions.
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Your "arguement" assumes I assumed something I did not.
Go listed to Jadeveon's comments himself then form your own assumptions.
I have listened to it. That is why I said the people who are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill about his comment are dreaming or are out there in la la land.

As for your assumption, your post implies that Lawing would have made Clowney play better this year by yelling at him. What were you trying to imply if that is not it.
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I have listened to it. That is why I said the people who are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill about his comment are dreaming or are out there in la la land.

As for your assumption, your post implies that Lawing would have made Clowney play better this year by yelling at him. What were you trying to imply if that is not it.
Yea...that's exactly what I posted.
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Yea...that's exactly what I posted.
Excuse me, but I said you implied it, at least that is the inference I drew. If I made a mistake in interpreting your post, I apologize. I'm not trying to pick on you.
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We needed someone to yell at Clowney to make him better?

Why the heck didn't we Coach Martin on this during football season!?!?!?
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We needed someone to yell at Clowney to make him better?

Why the heck didn't we Coach Martin on this during football season!?!?!?
I don't know what we needed, but he seemed to be able to do what he wanted instead of what was called. I remember against UGA he lined up on the inside of the tackle like three straight times. Well the first time he pressured Murray, so ok. Then the next two times (again, in a row) Murray just rolled to the left and got first downs. After all, now there is no containment on that side.

I think it was a few things really. Mainly I think Deke took an approach of "It ain't broke, don't fix it" with Clowney but that was, in hindsight, a mistake. Clowney needs to be constantly tweaked because he seems to fall back into bad habits quickly. That article written about Clowney by the former NFL DL says a lot about how raw his technique really is, how he doesn't use certain skills the way he should. When you have a situation like he faced this year, he was going to be double and triple teamed constantly. They were going to scheme for him. The two big things to assist with this would be picking his spots to really push for the QB and get Clowney into more space than usual. When neither of those things happened, you had a guy who basically went full tilt early in games and didn't have as much later when he needed it on top of Clowney getting frustrated due to lack of production. In short, a perfect storm for mounting criticism and frustration for pretty much everyone involved.
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My last post wasn't intended to be serious....
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you know, this time last year all the world was talking about the Great Clowney. You couldn't turn on the tv without seeing "The Play". Now this year, the whole world is talking about Clowney again, and not for the same reason.

Clowney is now gone. We as Gamecock fans need to pull for him, and wish him the best, but we should be focusing on the guys that are still here, and the new guys that may make history as well.

No doubt Clowney has brought a lot of notoriety to USC, and we should relish that, and not debate whether or not Clowney was the best team mate, or had the best work ethic. He is not coming back to prove anybody wrong.
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you know, this time last year all the world was talking about the Great Clowney. You couldn't turn on the tv without seeing "The Play". Now this year, the whole world is talking about Clowney again, and not for the same reason.

Clowney is now gone. We as Gamecock fans need to pull for him, and wish him the best, but we should be focusing on the guys that are still here, and the new guys that may make history as well.

No doubt Clowney has brought a lot of notoriety to USC, and we should relish that, and not debate whether or not Clowney was the best team mate, or had the best work ethic. He is not coming back to prove anybody wrong.
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