Legget's Interferance

Big Spur · 03-03-2014, 02:27 PM

Ok, Saturday, Top of the 9th, runners on 2 and 3. Blooper hit 2nd baseman goofs catch and tries to throw out second guy scoring. Player slides under tag called safe. Catcher is arguing with ump and Legget storms field. Meanwhile base runner keeps advancing seeing catcher with ball and back to field. Legget TELLS CATCHER TO TURN AROUND AND THROW BALL!!! Our guy is thrown out at 3rd for final out and the mouthing starts. All the jaw jacking covered up Legget's actions. If not for us being up by 8 runs what should have happened?

JerseyBird · 03-03-2014, 02:32 PM

Also of concern was the bad DJ Swearinger impersonation the 3rd baseman did afterwards. No style points for him.

markp_vip · 03-03-2014, 02:34 PM

I would think deadball as soon as Jackleg steps on field of play, so either runner gets 3rd if more than half way there at that point or send him back to 2nd if not. Under no circumstance can I see him being out on the play.

USCBatgirl21 · 03-03-2014, 02:40 PM

Men on either 1B and 2B or 2B and 3B. Leggett called for interference on play.

As you note, with us being up by 8 runs, and the tempers flaring as they were, I honestly believe the coaches and umpires made the right decision by just ending the top half and moving onto the bottom. I truly believe if they'd followed the rules to the letter of the law, Caldwell would have taken one to the head on the very next pitch and all Hades would have broken loose (on the field and in the stands).

Honestly, it would have been incredibly bad form for Chad to push for the interference call being up by 8 runs.

gamecock88 · 03-03-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by markp_vip

I would think deadball as soon as Jackleg steps on field of play, so either runner gets 3rd if more than half way there at that point or send him back to 2nd if not. Under no circumstance can I see him being out on the play.

This.

It's dead ball or play stops when a coach comes on to the field. Play should have stopped there and the players who advanced or out go back/ No out.

Travelin · 03-03-2014, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by USCBatgirl21

Men on either 1B and 2B or 2B and 3B. Leggett called for interference on play.

As you note, with us being up by 8 runs, and the tempers flaring as they were, I honestly believe the coaches and umpires made the right decision by just ending the top half and moving onto the bottom. I truly believe if they'd followed the rules to the letter of the law, Caldwell would have taken one to the head on the very next pitch and all Hades would have broken loose (on the field and in the stands).

Honestly, it would have been incredibly bad form for Chad to push for the interference call being up by 8 runs.

If they would have called the play dead when they should have, the incident at third would have never happened.

Did the Coaches and Umps agree on ending the inning the way it ended?

HeadCockFan · 03-03-2014, 03:00 PM

Ray Tanner should've ridden into the stadium on horseback with garnet and black face paint a la Braveheart and trampled Jack Leg.

2000grad · 03-03-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Travelin

If they would have called the play dead when they should have, the incident at third would have never happened.

Did the Coaches and Umps agree on ending the inning the way it ended?

That was the goof

Wingman · 03-03-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadCockFan

Ray Tanner should've ridden into the stadium on horseback with garnet and black face paint a la Braveheart and trampled Jack Leg.

YES!!

Travelin · 03-03-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 2000grad

That was the goof

Yes Sir. It's on the umps and Jack Leg.

Not the first time he's pulled some crap like this. I hope Ray does what he has to do and submit a formal complaint about it. Let's face it, our team handled the situation as good as you can hope for. It doesn't take away from the fact that their coach and players were completely out of order.

ReadR00ster · 03-03-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyBird

Also of concern was the bad DJ Swearinger impersonation the 3rd baseman did afterwards. No style points for him.

Completely different, that what DJ Swearinger did. That was just a "Look-at-me, look-how-hard-I-am," moment. He wasn't trying to pick a fight.

1982Gamecock · 03-03-2014, 03:53 PM

Listened to Coach Holbrook at lunchtime on 107.5. He said it is the umpire's discretion whether or not to stop play when a coach comes on the field to protest. We were up 10-2 and he said it wasn't worth arguing the play at 3rd at that point. Better to move on. He complimented the umpire staff for overall a well-called weekend and keeping the 3rd base incident from escalating.

Cocks have class- what can we say? And we OWN Clemson who has none!!!

markp_vip · 03-03-2014, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelin

Yes Sir. It's on the umps and Jack Leg.

Not the first time he's pulled some crap like this. I hope Ray does what he has to do and submit a formal complaint about it. Let's face it, our team handled the situation as good as you can hope for. It doesn't take away from the fact that their coach and players were completely out of order.

And you know if we had been safe at third then Jackleg would have argued that the play should have been dead and to send our runners back.

USCBatgirl21 · 03-03-2014, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelin

If they would have called the play dead when they should have, the incident at third would have never happened.

Did the Coaches and Umps agree on ending the inning the way it ended?

As indicated in a post after mine, yes they did.

thekob · 03-03-2014, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USCBatgirl21

Honestly, it would have been incredibly bad form for Chad to push for the interference call being up by 8 runs.

Kind of like protesting the call when you're down by so much.

But that's one of the differences between us and them I suppose! :)

COCKYWOOD · 03-03-2014, 04:21 PM

You can't touch a player and direct them where to thow. Leggo came very close to touching the ump also.

Spurticus · 03-03-2014, 04:23 PM

Technically it would all depend (umpires discretion) on where Mooney was
at the time Leggett stepped onto the field. ..... Play would have been
dead at that point, BUT ..... if Mooney was more than half way between
2nd and 3rd base, he would have been given third + advance to the
next base (which would have been home, and a score). ..... If he was
halfway or less, then Mooney goes back to 2nd base. Leggett would have been
tossed from the game.

At least that's the interpertation of the dead ball rule several years ago.
If it's changed since the mid / late 90s, I'm unaware of the change.

2000grad · 03-03-2014, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COCKYWOOD

You can't touch a player and direct them where to thow. Leggo came very close to touching the ump also.

That's a little league rule too

ShutTheSuccop · 03-03-2014, 04:45 PM

how would you feel is Clemson scored nine in the bottom of the inning? I realize that this notion is far-fetched but the truth is that there is a rule in place for this type of situation and it was arbitrarily not enforced. I understand Holbrook not pressing the issue (I don't blame him) but IMO, it should have been called dead the second Leggett stepped on the field (objective application of the rule). I was glad to see the umpires regain control of an otherwise volatile situation....I also can't believe that Clemson's third baseman (Baum?) was not ejected from the game. I know that Leggett said it was 50-50 but after seeing the photo, it was entirely their fault. If they don't like USC running up the score, maybe they should get better pitchers and fielders, no?

USCBatgirl21 · 03-03-2014, 04:51 PM

If they'd scored 9 in the bottom...that's baseball, and we have no one to blame but ourselves for blowing a 8 run lead.

I was there. They did the right thing.

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03-03-2014, 02:27 PM	#1
Big Spur Blue Chip Male Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: England Posts: 902 CockyCash: 20199	Legget's Interferance Ok, Saturday, Top of the 9th, runners on 2 and 3. Blooper hit 2nd baseman goofs catch and tries to throw out second guy scoring. Player slides under tag called safe. Catcher is arguing with ump and Legget storms field. Meanwhile base runner keeps advancing seeing catcher with ball and back to field. Legget TELLS CATCHER TO TURN AROUND AND THROW BALL!!! Our guy is thrown out at 3rd for final out and the mouthing starts. All the jaw jacking covered up Legget's actions. If not for us being up by 8 runs what should have happened?

03-03-2014, 02:32 PM	#2
JerseyBird Fuggedaboudit Male Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Caldwell NJ Posts: 1,846 CockyCash: 2332	Re: Legget's Interferance Also of concern was the bad DJ Swearinger impersonation the 3rd baseman did afterwards. No style points for him. __________________ Take one star crunch. Then take lots of peanut butter and layer it THICK on the flat side. After that slam another star crunch on top of the peanut butter. Finally, slap yo momma. For those of you trying to "watch what you eat" don't add the second star crunch. This is the diet version-etowngangsta

03-03-2014, 02:34 PM	#3
markp_vip Bowl MVP Male Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: St Tammany Parish, La Posts: 2,137 CockyCash: 6001866	Re: Legget's Interferance I would think deadball as soon as Jackleg steps on field of play, so either runner gets 3rd if more than half way there at that point or send him back to 2nd if not. Under no circumstance can I see him being out on the play. __________________ Recently the difference between Clemson and Carolina has become clear. While Irrational People Talk About Yesterday, The Rational Ones Orchestrate Success Today. So as they desperately cling to their history, we continue to make history day by day.

03-03-2014, 02:40 PM	#4
USCBatgirl21 Official Baseball Chick Female Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sec 4, Row 1, Seat 16 - Carolina Stadium Posts: 9,861 CockyCash: 1000500	Re: Legget's Interferance Men on either 1B and 2B or 2B and 3B. Leggett called for interference on play. As you note, with us being up by 8 runs, and the tempers flaring as they were, I honestly believe the coaches and umpires made the right decision by just ending the top half and moving onto the bottom. I truly believe if they'd followed the rules to the letter of the law, Caldwell would have taken one to the head on the very next pitch and all Hades would have broken loose (on the field and in the stands). Honestly, it would have been incredibly bad form for Chad to push for the interference call being up by 8 runs.

03-03-2014, 03:00 PM	#7
HeadCockFan ...where the Pampers is. Male Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 6,394 CockyCash: 202781	Re: Legget's Interferance Ray Tanner should've ridden into the stadium on horseback with garnet and black face paint a la Braveheart and trampled Jack Leg.

03-03-2014, 03:53 PM	#12
1982Gamecock Recruit Male Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: SC Posts: 163 CockyCash: 500	Re: Legget's Interferance Listened to Coach Holbrook at lunchtime on 107.5. He said it is the umpire's discretion whether or not to stop play when a coach comes on the field to protest. We were up 10-2 and he said it wasn't worth arguing the play at 3rd at that point. Better to move on. He complimented the umpire staff for overall a well-called weekend and keeping the 3rd base incident from escalating. Cocks have class- what can we say? And we OWN Clemson who has none!!!

03-03-2014, 04:21 PM	#16
COCKYWOOD Game MVP Male Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chucktown Posts: 1,851 CockyCash: 800	Re: Legget's Interferance You can't touch a player and direct them where to thow. Leggo came very close to touching the ump also.

03-03-2014, 04:23 PM	#17
Spurticus IT'S MY GAMEFACE !! Male Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Columbia (Gaston Area ), SC Posts: 29,497 CockyCash: 100200	Re: Legget's Interferance Technically it would all depend (umpires discretion) on where Mooney was at the time Leggett stepped onto the field. ..... Play would have been dead at that point, BUT ..... if Mooney was more than half way between 2nd and 3rd base, he would have been given third + advance to the next base (which would have been home, and a score). ..... If he was halfway or less, then Mooney goes back to 2nd base. Leggett would have been tossed from the game. At least that's the interpertation of the dead ball rule several years ago. If it's changed since the mid / late 90s, I'm unaware of the change. __________________

03-03-2014, 04:45 PM	#19
ShutTheSuccop Go Cocks! Male Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 7,456 CockyCash: 155567	Re: Legget's Interferance how would you feel is Clemson scored nine in the bottom of the inning? I realize that this notion is far-fetched but the truth is that there is a rule in place for this type of situation and it was arbitrarily not enforced. I understand Holbrook not pressing the issue (I don't blame him) but IMO, it should have been called dead the second Leggett stepped on the field (objective application of the rule). I was glad to see the umpires regain control of an otherwise volatile situation....I also can't believe that Clemson's third baseman (Baum?) was not ejected from the game. I know that Leggett said it was 50-50 but after seeing the photo, it was entirely their fault. If they don't like USC running up the score, maybe they should get better pitchers and fielders, no?

03-03-2014, 04:51 PM	#20
USCBatgirl21 Official Baseball Chick Female Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sec 4, Row 1, Seat 16 - Carolina Stadium Posts: 9,861 CockyCash: 1000500	Re: Legget's Interferance If they'd scored 9 in the bottom...that's baseball, and we have no one to blame but ourselves for blowing a 8 run lead. I was there. They did the right thing.

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