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Old 03-03-2014, 05:39 PM   #21
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I think everyone needs to go ahead and assume at least 3 more people (possibly 4-5) currently on the roster will be choosing to transfer before Summer 2 is done. If this shocked you, just wanted you to be prepared.
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This all but assures me that all of the incoming CB's are going to have substantial playing time.
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Good luck Ronnie. I wish you the best.
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This all but assures me that all of the incoming CB's are going to have substantial playing time.
You just don't come in and play D because you have the athletic talent. It takes half a season to learn where to be etc. They have to have time to gain the knowledge. This was very evident last year when fans were too demanding of new talent on the D. Fans were asking for coaches resignations but by midseason the new talent began to gain the knowledge they needed to stop offenses. Will fans wait till midseason for the coaches to coach and the new guys to absorb the coaching? I don't think so. I think R Martin would be needed early and be ready to perform game one.
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This should come as no surprise. It's been discussed a number of times on here in the past. The one thing I am surprised at is he says he's going to Upstate. They don't have a football team.....I think he'll end up going somewhere that he can play.
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You just don't come in and play D because you have the athletic talent. It takes half a season to learn where to be etc. They have to have time to gain the knowledge. This was very evident last year when fans were too demanding of new talent on the D. Fans were asking for coaches resignations but by midseason the new talent began to gain the knowledge they needed to stop offenses. Will fans wait till midseason for the coaches to coach and the new guys to absorb the coaching? I don't think so. I think R Martin would be needed early and be ready to perform game one.
Thing is, he isn't on the team, that is one less CB. One more spot.
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I watched his tapes before he committed and thought he would have been a great safety. He was a head hunter with a nose for the ball. I hate to think we are going to have to go through growing pains like we did for the first part of last season again next year.
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I think everyone needs to go ahead and assume at least 3 more people (possibly 4-5) currently on the roster will be choosing to transfer before Summer 2 is done. If this shocked you, just wanted you to be prepared.
Updated numbers removing Martin and Sawyer.....assuming everyone else qualifies, we are now at 88.....so we'll need for 6 to leave.
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Don't think I had heard of him.
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Thing is, he isn't on the team, that is one less CB. One more spot.
I am aware he isn't on the team. That is the title of this thread,

My point was that he was an experienced CB we could have used in game one. We lose his experience. He was no. two on the depth chart. He would have played definitely in those hot September games where DBs drop like flies from the heat and dehydration. Now we will be forced to play frosh that wont be fully trained in all the different coverages. Remember how intolerant fans were with our new LBs last year early in the season?
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I am aware he isn't on the team. That is the title of this thread,

My point was that he was an experienced CB we could have used in game one. We lose his experience. He was no. two on the depth chart. He would have played definitely in those hot September games where DBs drop like flies from the heat and dehydration. Now we will be forced to play frosh that wont be fully trained in all the different coverages. Remember how intolerant fans were with our new LBs last year early in the season?
Fan intolerance is irrelevant. The Gamecocks lost to UGA, in part, because of coverage mistakes. True freshman will make them when they are on the field unless they are Stephon Gilmore type of people.

Ahmad Christian transferred because he wanted to play baseball and football. Coach Holbrook did not have a scholarship for him to play baseball. He had a good reason to transfer and it is not the football coaching staff's fault.

Ronnie Martin may not want to play football anymore or he would have transferred to a FCS school where he could have received a football scholarship. Again, not the football coaches fault.

The only thing you can fault them for is not having enough cornerbacks on the team to provide depth beyond true freshman. Even with the transfers the Gamecocks are still four deep at CB, and some of the safeties are being cross trained to play CB. The best athletes will be on the field, and that probably will include a S playing CB in the early part of the season until the freshman are up to speed on assignments and coverages.
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3 games played, 10 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 interceptions, 2 force fumbled

*Stats from Georgia Military College. Martin was limited in 2012 due to a hamstring injury.

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Martin steps into a cornerback rotation that, beyond starters Vic Hampton and Jimmy Legree, isn't brimming with experience. To wit, Martin will have the opportunity to see the field plenty, but he injured his other hamstring in spring practice—another in a series of obstacles Martin's encountered since graduating high school. (Seems like Ronnie's taking over Akeem Auguste's role of hardluck Gameock cornerback.) At any rate, there hasn't been much reported out of fall practice regarding Martin one way or the other, so it may be late August before it can be determined if he's still listed as Legree's backup or if he gives way to the likes of redshirt freshman Rico McWilliams.
Personally, it sounds like the guy has a very high ceiling but has always been hampered with injury problems and now has 2 years left to play. (Sounds like he RS'ed 2011, played some for GMC in '12 and was injured in spring of 2013) Maybe he would qualify for a medical redshirt, maybe not. Either way, it seems he feels his best chance to play is elsewhere.

We have McWilliams and Smith as good anchors. Ali Groves has a chance to prove himself, and then we factor in all the newcomers, of which I think DJ Smith, Wesley Green and Al Harris, Jr. could all see some good playing time this year. That is a very, very solid group. Young, but solid.

If you are going to be young at a position, DB is the best one in my opinion as it takes the most to go right for the offense to capitalize on that area.
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Atleast we have a 4 deep of veteran safeties behind them
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Fan intolerance is irrelevant. The Gamecocks lost to UGA, in part, because of coverage mistakes. True freshman will make them when they are on the field unless they are Stephon Gilmore type of people.

Ahmad Christian transferred because he wanted to play baseball and football. Coach Holbrook did not have a scholarship for him to play baseball. He had a good reason to transfer and it is not the football coaching staff's fault.

Ronnie Martin may not want to play football anymore or he would have transferred to a FCS school where he could have received a football scholarship. Again, not the football coaches fault.

The only thing you can fault them for is not having enough cornerbacks on the team to provide depth beyond true freshman. Even with the transfers the Gamecocks are still four deep at CB, and some of the safeties are being cross trained to play CB. The best athletes will be on the field, and that probably will include a S playing CB in the early part of the season until the freshman are up to speed on assignments and coverages.
Just a slight correction. Whammy, Brown and Spurrier have always said the defensive back field are crossed trained...as well as the WRs.
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Just a slight correction. Whammy, Brown and Spurrier have always said the defensive back field are crossed trained...as well as the WRs.
I thought Wammy and staff did a really great job teaching the new players last season but it did not happen on day one. It took half the season. The same D that played Georgia loose was unrecognizable in the late season. That same D became feared.
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Remember how bad the 4 star freshman corners for Uga looked early in the season and even late against aubie.

We will have some growing pains.
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They will grow up quick, the DBS, like our lbs did last year. Just hope it doesn't cost us too bad. Let me play man is what I say
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Let the corners play man, not me. Haha
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