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Old 03-06-2014, 11:57 PM   #221
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Verbal abuse? What a wuss.
What's the matter with some of you? It is verbal abuse. Professional coaches paid to lead young men should NOT be calling their players names, I mean cummon. When did we become desensitized to poor judgement and anger management issues? Frank Martin has some serious mental issues, and if he wanted to toss around names like a 3rd grader he should have become a drill sargeant in the Marines. Calling your players a-holes, or whatever is LAZY coaching...it's not a good thing. AND IN CASE YOU THINK I'M WRONG...go tell Ray Tanner he's wrong. Dude knows you DON'T coach like that. Martin won't be around long.
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Exactly.

People can't complain about what they don't see/hear/care about. Dawn isn't changing her coaching style any time soon either. If players can't handle it, they know where the door is. I know a few players in the Dawn Staley era who were told the same thing during arguments.
... and Frank shouldn't change his style either. Like I said earlier (I think), I'm not a fan of the name calling, but Duane didn't appear to be too shaken up over it which tells me he knew it wasn't intentionally hurtful or even all that personal. Presumably, it was Frank making an emphatic point in Frank's way. But it's all over ESPN so we have to be offended and get up in arms on Duane's behalf.

Given enough time, the men's team will look more like what Frank wants and he'll calm down, just like what happened with Dawn and the women's team.

If we (as a university and fan base) intentionally make this job uncomfortable for a good and respected coach, I'm seriously concerned about our prospects of ever not being a dismal program.
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Him using foul language isn't the issue here. Taking the demeaning/confrontational tone and ggetting personal by calling him an a**hole is the issue here. Had he just said "Answer the f***ING question." There wouldn't be an issue. However, he took it past that.

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I like Frank's intensity, but I'd rather not see him belittle players, publicly. Yelling is one thing, but I think he crossed the line with Duane. Dawn Staley became a slightly more laid back coach and maybe Frank can, too.
Dawn calmed down when her teams started playing like she wanted them to.

But now that I think about it, Ray Tanner has said more than once that his teams got better when he lightened up some and that he doesn't believe that to be a coincidence. Maybe he and Dawn had conversations and she took some of his advice. I know she really likes him being the AD. Hmmm.. something to think about.
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Again, you don't know that. It's very common for coaches to curse at players in practice.
......This situation didn't happen during practice....It happened in front of the general public and on national TV...
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These aren't kids these are grown men the constant babying of these men isn't doing them any favors in life, once people on here realize that the sooner the fans can understand that. Horn had his players go through a day or two of boot camp at Fort Jackson and I guarantee you worse was said to them. If asshole offends you I can't begin to image if Martin used the n word... If there is a person on here who has NEVER EVER called a person 18+ an asshole then they can talk until then take the holier than thou mentality elsewhere because if you have called another person an asshole and are offended by this you are a straight up hypocrite.
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My 2 cents. We knew in hiring Martin that he was a hot head on the court with his players. He demands highly of them and when they aren't doing the right things he has coached them to do, he gets in their faces and, IMO, makes them men. This causes them to be accountable for their play and lights a fire under the players if they do.

Now look at how he is off the court, he is a father to those young kids and develops them into men on and off the court. He is one of the better coaches in basketball, but is even better at teaching them things off the court and how to be a real man. It's unfortunate what has transpired, but come on, I've heard a lot worse in my life when playing sports (probably cause I was awful).

I just hope this doesn't blow up in our faces as now the whole world sees him as a yelling, mean coach, when in fact, he is one of the nicer coaches (off the court of course) who actually cares and wants to see his players succeed in life, and not just on the court.

Anyways what happened happened, I support the whole organization and hopefully we can all learn from this and become better as a whole. Go cocks, Go America.
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People wouldn't be complaining about a damn thing if we were winning. I bet 90% of this fan base over looks anything said if we were winning consistently.
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I'm so tired of soft ass players and people who can't take an ass chewing. I'm tired of losing and coaches holding hands and saying all is well. Go Coach Martin, you can chew my Son's ass out if he doesn't do what it takes to win, just don't touch him, then I will whip your ass.
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He shouldn't be using that language during the game. But a suspension? Meh.

I've served Coach Martin and his family at the restaurant I work at and him, as well as his family, are some of the nicest, most genuine people I've met. Especially his wife, she's insanely nice. He just needs to tone it down a bit I guess.
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The athletic department and the university have to enforce their standards, otherwise they apply only to the compliant (who don't need them). It has happened publicly before with milder consequences. It happened in a very public way again, and more harsh consequences were applied. Verbal reprimands and warnings are seldom effective if not backed by action. These actions are in public, and widely witnessed. Coaches have bosses, and some of them do their job. Good. Serve the time and move on.
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Not a big fan of this. Ray should have kept this out of the headlines. If we lose Martin over this, he better be able to reload with something as good or better.
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He shouldn't be using that language during the game. But a suspension? Meh.

I've served Coach Martin and his family at the restaurant I work at and him, as well as his family, are some of the nicest, most genuine people I've met. Especially his wife, she's insanely nice. He just needs to tone it down a bit I guess.
Insanely might not be the best word choice here considering people have called him maniacal and psychopathic lately.
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Not a big fan of this. Ray should have kept this out of the headlines. If we lose Martin over this, he better be able to reload with something as good or better.
I agree with you. Should have reprimanded him privately. I think I am more in favor of a fine over suspending him for a game. But, if the donors wanted blood, then I guess Tanner had to do it publicly.
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What's the matter with some of you? It is verbal abuse. Professional coaches paid to lead young men should NOT be calling their players names, I mean cummon. When did we become desensitized to poor judgement and anger management issues? Frank Martin has some serious mental issues, and if he wanted to toss around names like a 3rd grader he should have become a drill sargeant in the Marines. Calling your players a-holes, or whatever is LAZY coaching...it's not a good thing. AND IN CASE YOU THINK I'M WRONG...go tell Ray Tanner he's wrong. Dude knows you DON'T coach like that. Martin won't be around long.
Abuse isn't verbal. What he said can be inappropriate, obscene, offensive, or otherwise frowned upon by most of society, but it is not "abuse." If Tanner really thought he was Abusing players Martin would be gone, not suspended. He's got a license to chew out his players, Tanner just doesn't like the wordy durds apparently.
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