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So yeah, when someone says his honor-roll kid would be bagging groceries if it weren't for football, it comes across racist as hell. |
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GOOOOO GEORGIA BULLDOGS
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![]() No it's more like saying they can raise their prices to $20 but I can still buy angel soft, qulited northern or store brand at regular price. I might prefer the 1st 2 but I have other legit options
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1st Team All-American
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Also your racist comment is a joke. These scholarships started when it was a bunch of dumb redneck white boys, so nothing racist about it. The problem for these athletes are idiots like you telling them their education isn't worth anything and they should just want to get paid. That mindset is what leads to so many being broke within 5 years of ending their career. How about we stop screwing these kids and help them to actually complete college with a legit major. These athletes aren't the only college students unable to get professional jobs they want without working an internship and proving themselves for no pay. |
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Aside from the fact that the definition of collusion has nothing to do with other parties that aren't involved in the collusion or what other options may be available, you have to see that your entire argument turns on what a "legit" option is. Could the major oil companies raise gas prices to $20 a gallon since we have trains and bicycles? Heck, we've got electric cars now too! I guess Exxon is free to call up BP (and all the others, which I won't list exhaustively) since under your interpretation of the law there mere presence of a somewhat viable alternative means anti-trust law doesn't apply. |
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GOOOOO GEORGIA BULLDOGS
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![]() I guess you can't see the fact that you don't HAVE to play college football if you don't feel it's in your best interest.
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Likewise, I guess you don't see the fact that in the current market, it is indisputably in the best interest of a vast majority of players, and that every major player in the market to acquire players has openly agreed to a maximum amount of remuneration for playing, which CANNOT include cash payments. Name one other multi-billion dollar business where that's true (and please don't say college football isn't a business). What's really surprising is how many people on a college sports board are so opposed to this. What gives? If schools want to compete and give the players money, who cares? Why is it a big deal that coaches in the SEC make $3 million+, NCAA administrators make millions, etc, but the players just get a scholarship. Heck, if the fair value of their services is a scholly and nothing more, this whole fight is a non-issue, because that's all they'll end up with anyways. The fact that there is so much opposition to this is an implicit admission that if schools couldn't collude not to pay, they would be paying. |
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![]() I can pretty much end this argument with two words Title IX. You want to see a shit storm screw with that law and women's group will make this guy's lawsuit look like a drop in the bucket.
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2nd Team All-SEC
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![]() Athletes are getting a free education that can cost them upwards of 160,000+ bucks at some institutions (if they stay all 4 years, or 5 if they redshirt). I think that's pretty good compensation to get to play a game as your main objective. They only have to spend 12 hours a week in a classroom plus probly another 5-10 in study hall.
If actually getting an education was more important to these kids then they wouldn't be complaining. They play a team game, not an individual game where thousands of people come to watch. Then maybe I could talk about getting something. The way I see it. Athletes should receive around 500 bucks (on a school monitored debit card) a month for what they do simply because their extra curricular activities do not allow them to get a job. That's the only reason. 500 bucks will give them some spending money and plenty of extra cash to spend off campus on whatever they need. Idc how much money their sport brings to the school every student athlete has to receive the same amount because it's only fair. It needs to be on a debit card of some kind to simply monitor what the kids are buying. Make it a mastercard from a local bank and do not allow transfer of funds or visits to atm's. (simply so you can feel safer that they aren't giving the kids money to buy drugs or the under age guys alcohol). If they can do that then I am all for it. That's about 5,000 dollars a school year. That's plenty I feel. But on the other hand a clempsun player trying to get free money....who is that really surprising? Google clemson paying players and I'm sure you'll find plenty of pictures lol. |
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![]() There is a partnership. Partnership just means a joint relationship. However there is profit sharing. The players are receiving a scholarship that is worth $30k to $60k a year. They are also getting a chance to greatly improve there future earnings. There is value to that as well
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![]() The argument of "if you don't like it then leave the country" (CFL) is not a valid argument. Otherwise, the same thing could be said in prototypical employment lawsuits. You think an employer would be able to use that as an argument in court? HAH!
BTW- DJCatfish has been the most logical and rational poster in this thread. |
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1st Team All-SEC
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![]() Sue the NFL for the right to play football out of HS, not the college which affords you the time and coaching to enhance your abilities further for a chance to be drafted.
Great for the kid who has done well for himself in school, but look at the Mary Willingham/ UNC mess. She claims that something like 10% have the educational levels of 3rd graders or less with another 60% or so with 8th or 9th grade abilities, at best. Several are functionally illiterate, never read a book or written a paragraph. A very large amount of kids playing football shouldn't even be in college in the first place should just be ignored, I suppose. What's next? Sue High Schools and lower levels that they aren't better students. Sue parents because they didn't try or care enough to push their kids to do better in school? This is another in an endless line of people playing the victim card. "It's someone else's fault my dreams of big money and fame isn't coming true." How about stop offering tutoring and other help for these kids who play sports? Let them flunk out by the truck full. Yeah, I know, that too, would be the fault of the colleges or that, too, would be considered racist when many teams would begin to resemble what they looked like in the 1960's or earlier. You're suppose to go to college to learn, not be paid as you go. Of course, the colleges could always take away any pretense of their trying to educate the athletes and let them major in sports and the hell with any other subject. Heck, why bother sending them to any class? No, wait, that won't work, because there will be others that are given free reign to work on their sport and do nothing else but aim for the pros and when they still don't get drafted or fail to make the squad, will sue because they didn't get an education to prepare them for life or prepare them for life after football. Yep, it's always something.
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![]() Definitely are a lot of sour grapes in this thread. The OP specifically included it in the first post.
Oh, and regarding TitleIX- total nonissue. If needed, lawyers could definitely find a way "around" that. Don't underestimate the creativity of people when faced with a verdict in favor of the players. People who throw up their hands and give up by saying "well... Title IX" are just being lazy. |
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1st Team All-American
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![]() How is the NFL rule and NBA rule not age discrimination? Is it because it's collectively bargained?
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At least, that's the legal reasoning. That opinion has taken a lot of criticism over the years. |
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![]() ok lets use the "pay for play" system here as a "what if":
Harvard has unlimited money to spend ( pretend) they could pay each player $1mil Clemson has smaller amount to spend (still pretending) they could pay $20,000 Which school would get the cream of the crop?? Not only would the lessor endowed schools get the bottom players, but they would have inferior programs and would cease to exist over time. now throw in the fact that they would dump the money in to big money sports and the other sports would go away (Track and field, gymnastics ect.) causing many other student athletes to not be able to attend college and possible get an education. If i'm 14 and play football on my Jr high school team which sales tickets and consesions and t-shirts and such, then shouldn't I get a cut of that? NO! But we will help prepare you for the next level so that oneday you may have the chance at a profesonal career. Just my thoughts. Last edited by Jethro Beaver; 03-19-2014 at 01:05 PM.. Reason: I clemson'd it, my bad. |
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