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Old 03-27-2014, 07:59 AM   #41
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THe video clearly shows him leave the basepath to disrupt the play, same as a wide slide into second.The fielders were never in the basepath though in this case. So as I said, runner should have been called out. Again though, moot point as Nobles still lose either way.
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THe video clearly shows him leave the basepath to disrupt the play, same as a wide slide into second.The fielders were never in the basepath though in this case. So as I said, runner should have been called out. Again though, moot point as Nobles still lose either way.
Before impact, his left foot partially touches the grass, but my understanding is that the grass line does not necessarily define the baseline per the rules. The baseline is 3 feet to either side of the straight line to the base and, to my untrained eye, it does not appear that he ventures more than 3 feet from the line.
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THe video clearly shows him leave the basepath to disrupt the play, same as a wide slide into second.The fielders were never in the basepath though in this case. So as I said, runner should have been called out. Again though, moot point as Nobles still lose either way.
the runner's foot hit the chaulk as contact is made, looks like he was in the basepath
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Looks like the suspending machine got turned on.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...florida-gators
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Looks like the suspending machine got turned on.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...florida-gators
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"Florida State outfielder DJ Stewart was suspended four games by the NCAA for his actions in a bench-clearing fracas between the No. 1-ranked Seminoles and the Florida Gators on Tuesday night in Jacksonville."

So, I'm confused... what exactly is he suspended for? Trucking the pitcher? Shoving the player who got in his face afterwards? Did he fight more than the rest of the team who cleared the dugout? I guess their coach is confused too since he states he plans to appeal it.
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that is utter bs on the suspension.
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"Florida State outfielder DJ Stewart was suspended four games by the NCAA for his actions in a bench-clearing fracas between the No. 1-ranked Seminoles and the Florida Gators on Tuesday night in Jacksonville."

So, I'm confused... what exactly is he suspended for? Trucking the pitcher? Shoving the player who got in his face afterwards? Did he fight more than the rest of the team who cleared the dugout? I guess their coach is confused too since he states he plans to appeal it.
It's likely due to shoving #5 after he was at first base and the play was over. That shove goes against the fighting rule that I referenced earlier. I thought they had announced suspensions for the UF players too, but it looks like that's still under review. Imo the first baseman should be suspended as well since he instigated the whole thing.

Additional review of the footage could probably get some more players suspended from both sides (if they can id the players). Looked like a couple of guys wearing garnet jackets got a punch or two in and #24 from UF may have gotten some in too.
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It's likely due to shoving #5 after he was at first base and the play was over. That shove goes against the fighting rule that I referenced earlier. I thought they had announced suspensions for the UF players too, but it looks like that's still under review. Imo the first baseman should be suspended as well since he instigated the whole thing.

Additional review of the footage could probably get some more players suspended from both sides (if they can id the players). Looked like a couple of guys wearing garnet jackets got a punch or two in and #24 from UF may have gotten some in too.
Yeah- if they're going to start doling out suspensions, there definitely needs to be more than one IMO. The UF player got all up in his grill- a shove is more than warranted in that situation.
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From the 2013-2014 NCAA Rulebook.

Rule 8 Baserunning

SECTION 5. A runner is out when:

d. The runner interferes intentionally with a throw or thrown ball, or interferes
with a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball. If a double play is likely,
and the runner intentionally interferes with the fielder who is attempting to
field the ball, both runner and batter-runner shall be declared out;


A.R. 1—
If two fielders attempt to field a batted ball, the umpire shall determine which
fielder is more likely to make the play and only that fielder is protected from interference
by the runner.
RULE 8 / Base Running 77
A.R. 2—


If a batted ball is deflected by the pitcher and another fielder has a legitimate play to
retire a runner, the fielder is protected and a collision by a base runner results in interference.

According to the rule, the runner should have been called out. The umpires blew the call.

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From the 2013-2014 NCAA Rulebook.

Rule 8 Baserunning

SECTION 5. A runner is out when:

d. The runner interferes intentionally with a throw or thrown ball, or interferes
with a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball. If a double play is likely,
and the runner intentionally interferes with the fielder who is attempting to
field the ball, both runner and batter-runner shall be declared out;


A.R. 1—
If two fielders attempt to field a batted ball, the umpire shall determine which

fielder is more likely to make the play and only that fielder is protected from interference

by the runner.

RULE 8 / Base Running 77
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If a batted ball is deflected by the pitcher and another fielder has a legitimate play to
retire a runner, the fielder is protected and a collision by a base runner results in interference.

According to the rule, the runner should have been called out. The umpires blew the call.

I don't see how that's cut and dry. The pitcher attempted to field the ball, no collision was made, the pitcher was not able to field the ball, he was then in the baseline and the runner then collided with him. The runner collided directly with the pitcher after the pitcher had an unimpeded attempt to field the ball and failed.

In fact, it seems like the rules you just posted reinforce the safe call.
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The problem with the noted rule is that pesky word "intentionally". Blue has to make a split second decision as to what the baserunner's intent was. That is why it is not cut and dry.

Take intentionally out of it, and any collision is interference.
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Actually, it is cut and dry concerning the call. If you read the rule, the "intentionally" portion refers to a throw or a thrown ball. The 2nd part states "or interferes with a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball". In the 2nd case, intent is not taken into account.

Where the umpires made their mistake was not judging the position of the runner when he made contact with the fielder making a play on the ball. The runner should have never been on the left side of the foul line.

The same goes when a runner is running down the line and the catcher makes an attempt to throw him out at first base. If the runner is hit with the ball and he is on the left side of the fould line, then he should be called out. That is the purpose of the 45 foot running lane that is on the right side of the foul line.

One thing I want to add. I have umpired many years (little league up to high school) and I have never understood why the line is called the foul line or the foul pole is called the foul pole. They should be called the fair line and the fair pole because if the balls lands on the line or hits the pole, it is a fair ball.
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I don't see how that's cut and dry. The pitcher attempted to field the ball, no collision was made, the pitcher was not able to field the ball, he was then in the baseline and the runner then collided with him. The runner collided directly with the pitcher after the pitcher had an unimpeded attempt to field the ball and failed.

In fact, it seems like the rules you just posted reinforce the safe call.

The pitcher was not unimpeded. He saw the runner coming towards him in fair territory (when the runner should have been on the opposite side of the foul line). He made a quick stab at the ball and then the contact was made. If the runner had been running in the proper lane (which is marked on the field), there never would have been any contact and the fielder would have had a better chance to make the play on the ball.

An out should have been called and most likely, the 1st base umpire and home plate umpire will receive a few games off for not administering the rule properly.
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Ahhh yes...I misread. Thank you. I was reading the intentionally as relating to both actions.
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It really is quite simple, IMO. The runner was not in the baseline. The runner has a responsibility to advance to 1st in the provided lane. That 3 foot box extending into foul territory on the 1st base side? That's the lane. It's placed there for safety to provide the runner an clear lane to the bag. He is supposed to run full speed, down his lane and strike 1st base bag with his left foot. The runner is considered out of the lane when one foot falls outside of it's boundary. Runners may move outside of the box for two reasons...1. To find a clear path to 1st base. 2. To AVOID a tag or contact.

It exists solely to prevent collisions down the 1st base line...an area where full-speed runners and immobile defenders meet with great frequency.

The base runner intentionally LEFT his provided base path to initiate unnecessary contact. He should have been called out and ejected on the spot.

If what he did is legal...so is running directly down the line to truck a first baseman on a routine infield grounder.
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My understanding of the rule is that the baseline is 3 feet to either side of the line, not only to the right side. I'm confused by the assertion that he's not allowed to run left of the line.
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My understanding of the rule is that the baseline is 3 feet to either side of the line, not only to the right side. I'm confused by the assertion that he's not allowed to run left of the line.
it do seem strange, guess a RH batter should loop behind homeplate after hitting the ball
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My understanding of the rule is that the baseline is 3 feet to either side of the line, not only to the right side. I'm confused by the assertion that he's not allowed to run left of the line.
It is 3 feet to either side of the line. Don't let a half-truth get in the way of a vehement argument.
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It really is quite simple, IMO. The runner was not in the baseline. The runner has a responsibility to advance to 1st in the provided lane. That 3 foot box extending into foul territory on the 1st base side? That's the lane. It's placed there for safety to provide the runner an clear lane to the bag. He is supposed to run full speed, down his lane and strike 1st base bag with his left foot. The runner is considered out of the lane when one foot falls outside of it's boundary. Runners may move outside of the box for two reasons...1. To find a clear path to 1st base. 2. To AVOID a tag or contact.

It exists solely to prevent collisions down the 1st base line...an area where full-speed runners and immobile defenders meet with great frequency.

The base runner intentionally LEFT his provided base path to initiate unnecessary contact. He should have been called out and ejected on the spot.

If what he did is legal...so is running directly down the line to truck a first baseman on a routine infield grounder.
That lane and the rules you listed concerning that lane only apply to put-out situations where a defensive player is touching first base and the ball is being thrown to the defensive player. And yes, I read the NCAA rule book concerning this.
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