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Old 03-27-2014, 03:54 PM   #121
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You don't like the NCAA? Don't watch. Don't participate. Start your own football league. They're doing their own thing and don't owe anyone a dang thing.

I love my alma mater, the University of South Carolina.

I do not like the NCAA

Kind of like how I can love my country, but dislike Congress (or the executive branch, judicial branch, whatever)

But just because I dislike DC, doesn't mean I'm going to turn my back on my country. Same goes for my alma mater and the sports they participate in compared to the NCAA.
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By the way folks. Unions are formed for this reason. Workers demand rights, and if they aren't given them, and they want it bad enough they unionize. It's what happened in America when the Companies were pooping on people. If y'all read the article I posted above the majority of this union has nothing to do with making money it's more of rights for the players. Heck don't y'all think the 1 year wait transfer rule is stupid? I do that is a part of the union agenda. How about the schools/athletics aren't required to pay game related injuries, heck that sound like Workmans comp right there. I think they should have that as well. People hear union their first idea is they just want all the money. It isn't always about that.
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:03 PM   #124
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You all seem to forget, schools don't have to have to college sports. They LET these people play. They don't have a RIGHT to play at all. The student-athlete DOES exists, because the NCAA SAYS SO. The NCAA is the authority given by all member institutions. They have to the power to make any rules they see fit to support their MISSION of providing ACADEMIC opportunities to athletes. THE are NOT merely stubbornly holding to a notion of student-athlete. Student-Athletes is the NCAA'S MISSION. It is WHAT they exist for. If the guys want to bite hand that feeds them, they better be ready to get bitten back. When the NCAA comes down with a rule that says union members are ineligible to play they are going to look mighty dumb. It's not about what people think who is an amateur and or not. It's an amateur league because that is all the NCAA has the power to run. If you make this a professional league it can't be run by the NCAA. It is going to be run by some other association and it will be just some minor league football that has absolutley nothing to do the with the schools. College Football really would just be, Football. You can drop the college out of it.
It seems like it's not that simple really. The NCAA says their mission is Student Athlete, but look at it honestly. The schools want to make money from athletics and reinvest it into the university to upgrade facilities, buildings, profesors, quality of students, etc. What happens when all the top players are part of the unions and the schools/NCAA say no union players will play? That means the product on the field is worse, which will mean less people will attend games, revenue will go down, sales of team logo'd products and concessions will go down. If the players did strike it absolutely would have an effect. Imagine watching the gamecocks and the starting QB, RB, WR, and all the star players decided to sit out. It would absolutely have a huge impact
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:06 PM   #125
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I love my alma mater, the University of South Carolina.

I do not like the NCAA

Kind of like how I can love my country, but dislike Congress (or the executive branch, judicial branch, whatever)

But just because I dislike DC, doesn't mean I'm going to turn my back on my country. Same goes for my alma mater and the sports they participate in compared to the NCAA.
I don't love the NCAA. There is just no reason to hate it. A lot of people whine and moan about little things the NCAA does that they don't like, but college sports would have failed without the NCAA.
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By the way folks. Unions are formed for this reason. Workers demand rights, and if they aren't given them, and they want it bad enough they unionize. It's what happened in America when the Companies were pooping on people. If y'all read the article I posted above the majority of this union has nothing to do with making money it's more of rights for the players. Heck don't y'all think the 1 year wait transfer rule is stupid? I do that is a part of the union agenda. How about the schools/athletics aren't required to pay game related injuries, heck that sound like Workmans comp right there. I think they should have that as well. People hear union their first idea is they just want all the money. It isn't always about that.
You can unionize, but that doesn't mean much. The union has to have to leverage to be able to negotiate terms. They can't make the NCAA change their rules just because they are unionized. I don't personally don't think the schools should have to pay for anything. If you don't want to risk injuries. Don't play.
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So how are they gonna pay the dues to be in the unions that require money to represent them?? Also, We all know how that worked out for Detroit. Unions may have been good at one time but now with the laws in place and the workers rights laws they tend to cause more problems then help. IMO
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Not sure if anyone pointed this out, but this ruling is for private schools only.
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Well, to me this whole argument sounds like entitlement.
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Not sure if anyone pointed this out, but this ruling is for private schools only.
This ruling is for one private school only. Northwestern.
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Well, to me this whole argument sounds like entitlement.
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You can unionize, but that doesn't mean much. The union has to have to leverage to be able to negotiate terms. They can't make the NCAA change their rules just because they are unionized. I don't personally don't think the schools should have to pay for anything. If you don't want to risk injuries. Don't play.
This is where I disagree, this is why the union starts. It's like a trickle down effect. NW has started it, and then other private colleges will start unionizing, then legislation will happen and make it where public institutions can be unionized, and then the NCAA see's it's losing it will either fall under or agree with the terms of the players. It's best to do what they want now instead of fighting it because it is a losing battle.

Also if I get hurt at work it's covered by workmans comp. These college players should have this right as well. USC usually pays so at least our own school is cool about this
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I find it amusing that people are saying that football players don't really get an education. That is their choice they are being given an education if they want it. Also football players at northwestern are most definitely getting their education to a tune of $76,000 a year. That is $300k plus. I believe they are getting their fair share.
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So you're ok with this?
No I do not agree with this but the rest of it is spot on. As I pointed out earlier in this thread these kids receive plenty of compensation. They get world class training, facilities, educations, opportunities to present there talents to the NFL, food, housing, medical, advisers, nutritionist and ect. ect.

Someone should really sit down and add up how much all of that would cost a football player if he had to pay for all of it. The greed of these kids will ruin the sport and cause corruption. I don't agree with the NCAA on everything but these rules are needed to keep the integrity of college sports intact.
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Well if players are going to get paid, they better bring back EA's NCAA Football
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The NCAA just needs to go ahead and declare any student athlete who joins a union ineligible and also un-appealable.
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No I do not agree with this but the rest of it is spot on. As I pointed out earlier in this thread these kids receive plenty of compensation. They get world class training, facilities, educations, opportunities to present there talents to the NFL, food, housing, medical, advisers, nutritionist and ect. ect.

Someone should really sit down and add up how much all of that would cost a football player if he had to pay for all of it. The greed of these kids will ruin the sport and cause corruption. I don't agree with the NCAA on everything but these rules are needed to keep the integrity of college sports intact.
Forbes Article on why the players should be able to Unionize

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedel...to-unionize/2/

This is the one where the writer estimates the football players are paid about 125,000 a year if you added up all the benefits they receive.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreyd...to-125000year/
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But minors cannot file court cases, right?

I'm asking.

Didn't that minor chick file against her parents? It was thrown out, but I don't think because she was a minor.

Opinion and asking too.
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Well, to me this whole argument sounds like entitlement.

Yeah. Those workers who enacted employment laws in the early 20th century were guilty of entitlement, too.
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