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Old 04-03-2014, 01:51 PM   #41
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He was allowed to take over the seats his parents had and he is able to buy a total of 8 seats period, first priority on 4 of best available and second priority on 4 more so there is no "buy out the stadium" possible. Like any other GCC member you retain the right to purchase the seats you have but can move if other seats you want are available when your priority comes up. As long as I renew my seats and (since I am not part of the lawsuit) pay my other fees USC can't take my seats from me or force me to move under GCC rules. Same holds true for him. They can't move him to the worst possible seats unless they want to invite another legal action or unless he asked to move and then they still would have to give him the best available based on his priority to do otherwise would open USC up to another lawsuit.

They can't punish him for winning his lawsuit! To do so would open USC up to a much greater liability. USC screwed up, fought in court and lost!
USC can change it's own rules. They probably won't do so drastically, But if they don't is going to be EVERYONE ELSE in the stadium that is punished by this bad deal USC made NOT USC. They will pass the buck. That is not right. He has gotten much much much more of the deal already than is a bargain. He has gotten a massive windfall and it's gone from being a exchange to being a gift. If he is not a yes member they give a YES members a discount if they raise ticket prices. That is the FAIR thing to do.
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The statute of limitations in SC for breach of contract is three years. Unless all 28 of the donors sued, the rest of them will have their claims barred by the statute of limitations if they try to enforce these contracts now.

Interestingly, even Elizabeth Sims, who was a party to the original suit with Mr. Lee, is now barred from recovery because she chose not to appeal the adverse (to her and Lee) trial court determination.

I am also confused about the legal strategy of Mr. Lee, the prevailing party.



Maybe some of the lawyers on here can tell me. Because Lee did not actually sue for breach of contract but chose to only sue for "declaratory judgment," what damages can he collect? Can he even get his YES fees back even after the ruling or would the statute of limitations not bar him from suing for those damages?

In the end, because the vast majority who made this deal will choose not to sue USC out of loyalty, respect, disdain for the courts, etc., Hyman probably made a sound financial decision to breach the contracts with these donors. I am not saying Hyman made a moral decision.
He was not suing for breach of contract and damages, he was suing to enforce the contract , because it is a sweet deal for him. He got a court order to make USC sell him the seats without any fees.
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USC can change it's own rules. They probably won't do so drastically, But if they don't is going to be EVERYONE ELSE in the stadium that is punished by this bad deal USC made NOT USC. They will pass the buck. That is not right. He has gotten much much much more of the deal already than is a bargain. He has gotten a massive windfall and it's gone from being a exchange to being a gift. If he is not a yes member they give a YES members a discount if they raise ticket prices. That is the FAIR thing to do.
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USC can change it's own rules. They probably won't do so drastically, But if they don't is going to be EVERYONE ELSE in the stadium that is punished by this bad deal USC made NOT USC. They will pass the buck. That is not right. He has gotten much much much more of the deal already than is a bargain. He has gotten a massive windfall and it's gone from being a exchange to being a gift. If he is not a yes member they give a YES members a discount if they raise ticket prices. That is the FAIR thing to do.
The fair thing to do is to honor the contractual agreement that they both entered into.
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What looks bad for USC in MY opinion is they let this guy and his family have a free meal ticket for his entire life and his family down through eternity because he bought a $100,000 life insurance policy. Nothing looks worse or more ridiculous than that.
You can't blame the guy for taking advantage of such a generous program being offered at the time. Any of us that was around in that time frame and would have had the money to take advantage of that, would have done so ourselves. Can't knock the guy for asking the university to hold to their end of the deal.

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Bad or not that was what they agreed to when they took his money and signed the contract and have no one to blame but themselves. What is worse than anything is not living up to a contract you signed when the other party has lived up to their end. It calls into question the integrity of the university and its officials and the ability to trust them in ANY contract. Nothing is worse than a person, business, agency or school that cannot be trusted to keep its word.



I'm actually quite shocked by the number of folks that want "revenge" on this guy. He's only asking the university to uphold their end of the bargain. Obviously, the court felt that the university made a promise that they didn't keep. They screwed up; no need to persecute the member.
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You can't blame the guy for taking advantage of such a generous program being offered at the time. Any of us that was around in that time frame and would have had the money to take advantage of that, would have done so ourselves. Can't knock the guy for asking the university to hold to their end of the deal.






I'm actually quite shocked by the number of folks that want "revenge" on this guy. He's only asking the university to uphold their end of the bargain. Obviously, the court felt that the university made a promise that they didn't keep. They screwed up; no need to persecute the member.
Amen CCC! That is the point I have been making!
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You can't blame the guy for taking advantage of such a generous program being offered at the time. Any of us that was around in that time frame and would have had the money to take advantage of that, would have done so ourselves. Can't knock the guy for asking the university to hold to their end of the deal.






I'm actually quite shocked by the number of folks that want "revenge" on this guy. He's only asking the university to uphold their end of the bargain. Obviously, the court felt that the university made a promise that they didn't keep. They screwed up; no need to persecute the member.
That is because you are only looking at it from his perspective and not the perspective of everyone else. Everyone else in the GCC has to pay the $325 a year and he doesn't. The rest are guaranteed a chance at seats unless the pay a ton of money each year. Their children's children's children are not promised a chance to buy seats, they have to fight over them. And then he sues USC to defend his MISTAKE by USC that has made obviously made himself a lot of money on. He basically has stock in USC football and basketball. All because he bought a $5000 insurance policy in the 80's. That is good for him, but everyone else, that's horsesh*t.
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That is because you are only looking at it from his perspective and not the perspective of everyone else. Everyone else in the GCC has to pay the $325 a year and he doesn't. The rest are guaranteed a chance at seats unless the pay a ton of money each year. Their children's children's children are not promised a chance to buy seats, they have to fight over them every year and it takes a lot of money. And then he sues USC to defend his something he has made obviously made himself a lot of money on. He basically has stock in USC football and basketball. All because he bought a $5000 insurance policy in the 80's. That is good for him, but everyone else, that's horsesh*t.
And that's because that's what the University ALLOWED him to do back then. Are you going to honestly tell me that you wouldn't have taken advantage of the same deal back then if you could have afforded to do so?

I don't see how it's horseshit for everyone else. Unfortunately, I'm not privy to that type of sweet deal because it's now the year 2014 and I can't take advantage of a program that was in place way back then. That doesn't make it horseshit, it makes it unfortunate timing for me. Everyone needs to quit whining about this.

The guy was offered a sweet deal buy USC. He took it and paid the amount due. USC didn't hold up their end, the guy sued and won. IMO, he shouldn't have had to take it that far. A contract is a contract. Prices were different then, programs were different then.
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That is because you are only looking at it from his perspective and not the perspective of everyone else. Everyone else in the GCC has to pay the $325 a year and he doesn't. The rest are guaranteed a chance at seats unless the pay a ton of money each year. Their children's children's children are not promised a chance to buy seats, they have to fight over them. And then he sues USC to defend his MISTAKE by USC that has made obviously made himself a lot of money on. He basically has stock in USC football and basketball. All because he bought a $5000 insurance policy in the 80's. That is good for him, but everyone else, that's horsesh*t.
What exactly was his MISTAKE. It is fair to others because the opportunity back then was open to anyone and only 25 people took the gamble. It was a smart business decision. It's one family that has given thousands upon thousands. Just eat it or pay him a ridiculous payoff
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Rip out the seats and mail them to him. USC can order new ones and renumber the entire section. Problem solved
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Rip out the seats and mail them to him. USC can order new ones and renumber the entire section. Problem solved

WOW.....absolutely brilliant

The University made a deal...simple as that. Someone called em on it. It happens. Move on.
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What exactly was his MISTAKE. It is fair to others because the opportunity back then was open to anyone and only 25 people took the gamble. It was a smart business decision. It's one family that has given thousands upon thousands. Just eat it or pay him a ridiculous payoff
BS, those people were HOOKED UP by their inside friends. This one family that gives thousands upon thousands, no doubt has made hundreds of thousands maybe even millions selling these seats over the years.

25 people x 8 seats = 200 seats. Probably some of the best seats in the stadium. Say they average a profit of like $300 dollars a seat that is $60,000 a game. x 7 games a year = 420,000 a year. So after ten years this one family has made 4.2 million on these seats. It's corruption.
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I am not one who has the highest opinion of the law and lawyers. However, in this case, take the Gamecock Club part completely out of of this. It was a legal decision to enforce the terms agreed upon in the contract.

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He gave to the university a day supported the team in the ugly years and now yall hate the man ONLY because the team is doing better. If we still sucked, no one would care.
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I am not one who has the highest opinion of the law and lawyers. However, in this case, take the Gamecock Club part completely out of of this. It was a legal decision to enforce the terms agreed upon in the contract.

End of discussion.
I demand a retrial. This "agreement" was an abuse of power and corrupt and anti-trust violations occured. Take this up to Scalia!
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He gave to the university a day supported the team in the ugly years and now yall hate the man ONLY because the team is doing better. If we still sucked, no one would care.
A lot of people gave to USC and didn't get hooked up like this guy did. This went too far. Someone took a bribe.
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BS, those people were HOOKED UP by their inside friends. This one family that gives thousands upon thousands, no doubt has made hundreds of thousands maybe even millions selling these seats over the years.

25 people x 8 seats = 200 seats. Probably some of the best seats in the stadium. Say they average a profit of like $300 dollars a seat that is $60,000 a game. x 7 games a year = 420,000 a year. So after ten years this one family has made 4.2 million on these seats. It's corruption.
this is ludicrous. first off it wasn't one family with 200 seats so no they wouldn't have made 4.2 million in 10 years. nobody was paying $300 over face value for a ticket during those lean times. all the buyers did not have 8 seats so no it isn't 200 seats. It wasn't an inside HOOK UP either and it isn't corruption.
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Must be doing it increase his profit margin for these tickets on resale. $5000 gives him first-refusal for lifetime tickets? He's probably made hundreds of thousands on these seats already. Seems like a retirement fund to me.
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I want to clear up any misconception regarding my decision to bring legal action against the Gamecock Club. Here are the facts:

1: I did not inherit the rights to any insurance policy from my late father. I was the one who purchased the insurance policy and the contract with USC clearly indicates this on its face.

2. In 1990 my father and best friend passed away unexpectedly. This is a man that supported the Gamecock club for 40 years prior to his death, giving of his time and money to help in any way possible. My family has been a part of the Gamecock Club for over sixty (60) years and we will make 100+.

3. My family has purchased 16 season tickets annually for over twenty years and prior to my father's death purchased 32 season tickets annually for football alone. Far more than we needed, so that the revenue from those ticket purchases would provide financial benefit to the Athletic Departments. This was done when the football program was mediocre at best. That is loyalty.

4. At the time of his death my mother and sister indicated that they would like to retain my fatherís tickets for sentimental reasons and as a result requested that I contact Art Baker and request that my sister's seats and my seats be reassigned so that my mother's wishes could be fulfilled. My contract was already executed and the policy in place prior to any of this occurring. I met with Art and he agreed that it was appropriate to grant this request based upon the circumstances.

5. Numerous attempts were made to resolve this matter so that everyone was satisfied. I was rebuked by Jeff Crane and told that USC had no intention of honoring the contract in place and further stated that if I did not like their position I could sue them. I can say that I cannot recall being treated in such a manner at any point in my life, I took Mr. Crane up on his offer and did sue in order to protect the rights of all lifetime donors. I did this knowing that my decision might be unpopular but also with the knowledge that if someone did not step forward and challenge Mr. Hymans decision that such disregard for the law, ethics and rights for loyal (longtime) fans on the part of Mr. Hyman and his minions would only escalate.

6. My contract was not a special deal, it is basically the same as all of the other lifetime contracts in place.

7. Google Texas A&M Donor suits and you will see that Mr. Hyman has done the exact same thing to A&M's loyal donors and suits have been filed as a result. Seems to me that Mr. Hyman has simply moved the road show to Texas. History has a strange way of repeating itself. In my opinion Mr. Hyman has utter disregard for the true fans and longtime donor's and is only interested in building a resume of raising funds. I have no doubt that Eric will retire or move on as soon as the hatchet job is complete at A&M and leave his replacement to deal with the long term fallout.

8. Ray Tanner is the right man for the job and I seriously doubt that he would have acted in the manner that Eric Hyman and Jeff Crane did in the same situation. Coach Spurrier is a class act and has done more to bring positive publicity to the football program that anyone dreamed while cleaning up a program that was adrift.

9. Call me greedy, call me a jerk, but rest assured that I sleep very well at night. No one should be treated with total disdain and disrespect as all Life Time Member's have been by My. Hyman. Blame me all you want, but make sure you have the facts straight before opining as to the integrity of someone.

Go Cocks,

George M. Lee, III
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A lot of people gave to USC and didn't get hooked up like this guy did. This went too far. Someone took a bribe.
We do not pay bribes. We believe in the rule of law. In my position you might think differently. Also, go to the state auditors website where you can access all of the annual financial statements for the Athletics Dept. and Gamecock Club. It might interest you to know that under Mr. Hymans leadership and at his direction all of or most of the policies in place were cashed in for excess of $1,000,000.00. These policies had a potential value of over $20,000,000.00 once we all go to the hereafter. I am now in my late fifties and am probably one of the younger folks in our group of lifetime members. My. Hyman made a business decision to cash in the policies and to refuse to honor the contracts in place. Seems to me he made a bad decision and actually has cost the Athletic Department a lot of money. There are members that are much more advanced in age who are Lifetime Donors.

It is shame that any of this occurred and this was done based upon principle, not about money. I have requested no refund. A contract must be enforced if our society is to flourish. With no guarantee that contracts will be honored how could this county function.

Final note, the Lifetime Contracts provided that all members in this group had the right to the best available tickets, no exceptions and remember at the time Full Scholarship was the highest membership level within the Gamecock Club.
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