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Old 04-19-2014, 11:45 PM   #41
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That's because The NFL and NBA are multi billion dollar industries. So yea, they kind of are entitled to the millions of dollars.


And you directly contribute to that entitlement.

They aren't entitled to that wealth. They didn't make the initial investments nor are they the ones buying the products. Look at it this way, are Wal-Mart employees entitled to $50k a year salaries because they work for the retailer with the highest revenue in the world? The employees aren't the reason why Wal-Mart is where it is. Management and customers are.

And it's not us who contributes to the entitlement. It's the media who attributes a sports success to an individual's success/popularity. No athlete is above their sport no matter how much ESPN thinks so.
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They aren't entitled to that wealth. They didn't make the initial investments nor are they the ones buying the products. Look at it this way, are Wal-Mart employees entitled to $50k a year salaries because they work for the retailer with the highest revenue in the world? The employees aren't the reason why Wal-Mart is where it is. Management and customers are.

And it's not us who contributes to the entitlement. It's the media who attributes a sports success to an individual's success/popularity. No athlete is above their sport no matter how much ESPN thinks so.
Wal-Mart employees are replaceable. They require little skill or training.


There are only 400-500 people in the NBA. Not everyone can dunk a basketball. Good basketball players are in very short supply. They are the reason thousands of fans are filling the arena, buying their merchandise, and watching on television. I've never seen anyone wear a jersey with the GM's name on the back.



Critical thinking. You're not very good at it.
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Wal-Mart employees are replaceable. They require little skill or training.


There are only 400-500 people in the NBA. Not everyone can dunk a basketball. Good basketball players are in very short supply. They are the reason thousands of fans are filling the arena, buying their merchandise, and watching on television. I've never seen anyone wear a jersey with the GM's name on the back.



Critical thinking. You're not very good at it.
There are 10s of thousands, if not 100s of thousands, who can dunk a basketball. The NBA has 1000s waiting in line to play and would still be able to sell tickets without a single current nba player. By your flawed logic, no body would go to college or HS sports since they aren't the elite players. People care more about the team jersey than the players and if that team is winning. So long as their team is a top team, they don't care if the NBA was filled with all D3 talent.

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There are only 400-500 people in the NBA. Not everyone can dunk a basketball. Good basketball players are in very short supply. They are the reason thousands of fans are filling the arena, buying their merchandise, and watching on television. I've never seen anyone wear a jersey with the GM's name on the back.



Critical thinking. You're not very good at it.

And every year there is a 5-10% turnover in the players that are in the NBA. Again, the players aren't important, the sport and teams are what are important. This whole notion that its the individual player that matters is a media creation. Now if all 500 players left at once, then yeah you may have a point. But one player by themself does not make or break the league.
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There are 10s of thousands, if not 100s of thousands, who can dunk a basketball. The NBA has 1000s waiting in line to play and would still be able to sell tickets without a single current nba player. By your flawed logic, no body would go to college or HS sports since they aren't the elite players. People care more about the team jersey than the players and if that team is winning. So long as their team is a top team, they don't care if the NBA was filled with all D3 talent.
No, just no.


You clearly took the "dunk a basketball" way too literally. There are not thousands of people who are good enough to play in the NBA. There is a reason why the draft is only 2 rounds. Many second rounders never get any significant playing time in the NBA and are out of the league after a couple a years. A handful of players drafted every year will never step foot on an NBA court.



And most people buy a Lebron James jersey. Not a Miami Heat jersey. There's a difference.

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And every year there is a 5-10% turnover in the players that are in the NBA. Again, the players aren't important, the sport and teams are what are important. This whole notion that its the individual player that matters is a media creation. Now if all 500 players left at once, then yeah you may have a point. But one player by themself does not make or break the league.
What are you even talking about dude?


I don't understand how any rational person could possibly say "the players aren't important." People are paying money to see Lebron play. Same goes for Dwayne Wade, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Melo, etc. That arena isn't filled without Lebron and Wade.

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No, just no.


You clearly took the "dunk a basketball" way too literally. There are not thousands of people who are good enough to play in the NBA. There is a reason why the draft is only 2 rounds. Many second rounders never get any significant playing time in the NBA and are out of the league after a couple a years. A handful of players drafted every year will never step foot on an NBA court.



And most people buy a Lebron James jersey. Not a Miami Heat jersey. There's a difference.
So much wrong with this post. I'd dissect it, but I'm guessing you aren't one for logic so I'll leave it be since I need some sleep anyways. But I will say this: LeBron was a media creation. The media can make a guy a superstar and they can make them irrelevant. They made LeBron relevant. And the last time I checked, LeBron doesn't have his own franchise to put his name on that franchise's jersey. LeBron is a millionaire, a billionaire signs his checks. He makes the bulk of his money from his salary and his Nike contract. Two billionaires made him a millionaire. If the NBA told LeBron they didn't want him 10 years ago, then we'd have never heard of him. The NBA made LeBron a name, not the other way around.
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So much wrong with this post. I'd dissect it, but I'm guessing you aren't one for logic so I'll leave it be since I need some sleep anyways. But I will say this: LeBron was a media creation. The media can make a guy a superstar and they can make them irrelevant. They made LeBron relevant. And the last time I checked, LeBron doesn't have his own franchise to put his name on that franchise's jersey. LeBron is a millionaire, a billionaire signs his checks. He makes the bulk of his money from his salary and his Nike contract. Two billionaires made him a millionaire. If the NBA told LeBron they didn't want him 10 years ago, then we'd have never heard of him. The NBA made LeBron a name, not the other way around.
You're not even arguing the same thing anymore. This post is filled with so much stupid I don't even know where to begin.

Lebron is the best player in the world. As long as he's playing at the level that he's at, he will never be irrelevant. He create's value for the NBA and Miami Heat. Without him they won't make nearly as much money.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/...at_329036.html

http://www.forbes.com/teams/miami-heat/

Do you think that is a coincidence? He's worth every cent of the $19 mil the Miami Heat are paying him. Probably more.

And we get it. You have a problem with the media. Let it go dude.


Now take a 1000 laps.

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You're not even arguing the same thing anymore. This post is filled with so much stupid I don't even know where to begin.

Lebron is the best player in the world. As long as he's playing at the level that he's at, he will never be irrelevant. He create's value for the NBA and Miami Heat. Without him they won't make nearly as much money.


And we get it. You have a problem with the media. Let it go dude.


Now take a 1000 laps.
What you can't seem to get, and are being obtuse about, is that the NBA and the media makes players names known. So if the NBA was all D3 level players, there would still be a top group of players that the NBA and the media would exhault. That doesn't mean LeBron isn't a freak athlete, but what is means is the athletes are nothing without the colleges and NBA giving them a chance. The leagues survive with constant player change. If what you said was true, the NBA would have collapsed after each superstar retired, but yet it doesn't. That's because the league brand and the media are more important than the players.
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What you can't seem to get, and are being obtuse about, is that the NBA and the media makes players names known. So if the NBA was all D3 level players, there would still be a top group of players that the NBA and the media would exhault. That doesn't mean LeBron isn't a freak athlete, but what is means is the athletes are nothing without the colleges and NBA giving them a chance. The leagues survive with constant player change. If what you said was true, the NBA would have collapsed after each superstar retired, but yet it doesn't. That's because the league brand and the media are more important than the players.
You're not even arguing the same thing anymore.


I said the top players are entitled to the millions of dollars they make because of the value they create for the NBA. If you don't understand that, than you don't understand basic economics.


The media's role in this is irrelevant.

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So much wrong with this post. I'd dissect it, but I'm guessing you aren't one for logic so I'll leave it be since I need some sleep anyways. But I will say this: LeBron was a media creation. The media can make a guy a superstar and they can make them irrelevant. They made LeBron relevant. And the last time I checked, LeBron doesn't have his own franchise to put his name on that franchise's jersey. LeBron is a millionaire, a billionaire signs his checks. He makes the bulk of his money from his salary and his Nike contract. Two billionaires made him a millionaire. If the NBA told LeBron they didn't want him 10 years ago, then we'd have never heard of him. The NBA made LeBron a name, not the other way around.
Actually you are wrong. The nba had a little dip after mj it was thanks to these phenominal athletes they get to feed them. If its the 5 foot 9 guy from princeton shooting fans are going to be like so what hes a mediocre sack of crap. Yeah they help create these players but these playera

S are special in their own way. To your other posts unions arent bad its corrupt people that make them bad. This players union can be the next best thing for college athletics or possibly the end depending on what happens
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You're not even arguing the same thing anymore.


I said the top players are entitled to the millions of dollars they make because of the value they create for the NBA. If you don't understand that, than you don't understand basic economics.


The media's role in this is irrelevant.
Pro sports is the only career I can think of that the employees think they are entitled to make more than their boss.
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Pro sports is the only career I can think of that the employees think they are entitled to make more than their boss.
It's called supply and demand. If these "employees" didn't fill the arenas/stadiums, their "bosses" wouldn't pay them that much.
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It's called supply and demand. If these "employees" didn't fill the arenas/stadiums, their "bosses" wouldn't pay them that much.
Those employees can replaced very easily do you honestly think people would stop being fans of teams if all the big names were gone?
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Those employees can replaced very easily do you honestly think people would stop being fans of teams if all the big names were gone?
Actually, I think attendance numbers would absolutely back this up.
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Those employees can replaced very easily do you honestly think people would stop being fans of teams if all the big names were gone?
Who exactly would you replace Lebron with? Durant? Kobe? Melo?


It's all about the product you put on the floor. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Who exactly would you replace Lebron with? Durant? Kobe? Melo?


It's all about the product you put on the floor. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
The NBA would find the new faces, just as they found replacements for Bryd, Kareem, Chamberlain, Jordan, and Bryd, did the NBA die and fans fall off because these legends retired, if you are a bigger fan of the players rather than franchise itself you are a bandwagoner.
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The NBA would find the new faces, just as they found replacements for Bryd, Kareem, Chamberlain, Jordan, and Bryd, did the NBA die and fans fall off because these legends retired, if you are a bigger fan of the players rather than franchise itself you are a bandwagoner.
Yes, they did have a dip in popularity. And those new faces would demand their million dollar contracts. That's how it works.


And yea, welcome to the real world. Look at the Miami Heat bandwagon after Lebron went there.

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You're not even arguing the same thing anymore. This post is filled with so much stupid I don't even know where to begin.

Lebron is the best player in the world. As long as he's playing at the level that he's at, he will never be irrelevant. He create's value for the NBA and Miami Heat. Without him they won't make nearly as much money.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/...at_329036.html

http://www.forbes.com/teams/miami-heat/

Do you think that is a coincidence? He's worth every cent of the $19 mil the Miami Heat are paying him. Probably more.

And we get it. You have a problem with the media. Let it go dude.


Now take a 1000 laps.

You're an idiot plain and simple.

Without the NBA, LeBron would have never been famous. If you can't understand that, then you need to sign your ass off of here and go back to kindergarten.

Going further than that, the media made Jeremy Lin a name too. Yeah he had a great stream of games. So did Ronald "Flip" Murray. You know why he didn't make it big? He was in Seattle and the media didn't care. There are 3 guys in the NBA this year that averaged 20 and 10: DeMarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, and Kevin Love. Only Kevin Love is getting any sort of attention by the media and thus endorsements. Blake Griffin gets more attention and FAR more attention than those 3 combined despite not having any measurable difference in talent level or performance.

You can be a stud, but unless you either A. Play in a huge media market B. Are one of the top 5 players in the league or C. Both, then you aren't a superstar because the media doesn't make you one.

Even if LeBron retired tomorrow and never picked up a basketball again, it wouldn't have any measurable impact on the NBA as a whole. The NBA gave LeBron the platform to be a millionaire and the media insured it. If you can't put two and two together, then that's all your fault man.

And LeBron isn't the best basketball player. Durant was slightly better last year and is clearly better this year.
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Actually, I think attendance numbers would absolutely back this up.
Someone else would be "the big name player." There is always going to be big time players because someone will always be the best.
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Someone else would be "the big name player." There is always going to be big time players because someone will always be the best.
And the next big name will demand a high salary for filling the seats.
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