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also, holloman, lewis and walton are all over 235 right now, and will probably even be heavier by the fall, when allen-williams gets here, and you know he is up there right now. furthermore, dixon, green and johnson are all running in the 275-285 range, to put some meat on the outside in the 3-4, not to mention jaustin thomas and blake mcclain getting here in the fall. these coaches know what they are doing, and if they think we can run the 3-4 successfully, i believe them. their track record is pretty good.
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Both DE spots, both OLB spots, MLB, WLB, and NT. If we aren't two deep at all those spots, as soon as someone gets injured, we can't run it anymore and it ends up being a waste of teaching time and practice reps. Now, I don't know if Whammy and Co. are planning on using a one-gap or two-gap 3-4. Does anyone have any info on this? From what I have gathered, the issue with our personnel this year seems to be that we have a shortage of 4-2-5 defensive ends, and an overabundance of 4-2-5 defensive tackles. If that is the case, why not switch our base to a 4-2-5/3-4 hybrid? It would look something like this: --------------------F-------------------- ----------------------------------------- -C-----W-------M----S----------$-----C- ------------E------N---T---J------------- -O----------O--O--O--O--O-----------O- -------O------------------------O------- -------------------O--------------------- ----------------------------------------- -------------------O--------------------- Before you and anyone else on here jumps down my throat with stuff like "let the coaches coach and the fans watch" or "stop arm-chair quarterbacking", this type of hybrid defense has already been used by the New England Patriots in the NFL. http://grantland.com/features/bill-b...riots-defense/ What this allows us to do is have the best of both defenses, and tailor the defense to fit our current defensive personnel situation. It also would not be a huge shift from our current base 4-2-5 defense. We would still have two corners, three safeties, two linebackers, and four defensive linemen. In the future, if our personnel situation shifted back to being suited to run a pure 4-2-5, it would not be a huge shift to go from the 4-2-5/3-4 hybrid back to a pure 4-2-5. In the 4-2-5/3-4 hybrid, by having only one true 4-2-5 defensive end spot, we gain depth by having more of the few 4-2-5 defensive ends that we have, available for that one spot instead of stretching them out across two defensive end spots like we would in the pure 4-2-5. The 4-2-5 defensive end is the "J" in the diagram. The other defensive end spot (E) is a 3-4 defensive end role. We have an abundance of players who should be able to play this spot. The defensive tackle spot (T) is a traditional 4-2-5 defensive tackle role. Do to our overabundance of big players, we should have decent depth for this spot. The nose tackle spot (N) should be able to be filled by several of our current players. Depending on what the defensive coordinator wants to do, the E, T, and J can line up on either side of of the defensive front. The N will always line up over the center. The J and T will use a one-gap technique, which means they will attack the gap they are responsible for. The E and N will use a two-gap technique, which means they will attack the blocker that is in-between the two gaps they are responsible for. They go after the blocker, and wait to see which way the play develops. Once they have identified which way the play is going, they will have to shed the blocker and attack the gap to the side the play is developing. Doing this allows us to ensure that all 6 offensive line gaps are accounted for, thus freeing up the linebackers (B and M) to carry out other responsibilities, thus making their jobs easier. The downside to this system is that you have to teach the E, J, and T how to play their spot from the left and right side. This reduces teaching time available to the coaches. This also reduces the amount of practice reps players get playing a certain location on the field. Less reps leads to reduced competency in carrying out assignments. Coaches aren't perfect, even college and NFL coaches. They are humans subject to the same flaws in thinking that the rest of us are. Many coaches only have expertise with one or two systems, and beyond that, they are just taking shots in the dark unless they learn the system from someone else. Whammy was supposedly visiting Charlie Strong, so it appears that he was trying to learn, but perhaps in his trip out to Texas, he learned that the 3-4 wasn't really going to work for our current situation. That's of course assuming that he went out there to learn the 3-4 and not the 3-3-5. Everyone keeps talking about us installing the 3-4 this season, but from what I understand, Charlie Strong doesn't even run the 3-4, he runs the 3-3-5, which is basically the same alignment as our defense, but with a linebacker instead of a DT. It seems like the 3-3-5 would make more sense for us than a 3-4, at least as a situational package, because it is structurally similar to our current base defense. Who knows though. Last edited by USCNowAndForever; 04-29-2014 at 06:12 PM.. |
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![]() That would get gashed by the run.
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![]() Probably will be the same sort of thing we ran with matthews and norwood.
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![]() That's what I was explaining in my post above.
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![]() Are you talking about the 4-2-5/3-4 hybrid?
If so, how is that? All 6 running gaps are accounted for. -Left side C gap -Left side B gap -Left side A gap -Right side A gap -Right side B gap -Right side C gap The E controls the C and B gap to their side. The N controls both A gaps. The T controls the B gap to their side. The J controls the C gap to their side. This is still a 4 man front just like in the 4-2-5, but half of the linemen are playing with two gap 3-4 rules. This removes the need for the M and S to have gap responsibility and thus makes their job easier. Part of their job is stopping the run, so if anything, this front should be stouter against the run than a pure 4-2-5. If the offense decides to bring extra people into the box, e.g. a tight end, fullback, etc, then the defense can also adjust and bring the W and/or $ into the box, thus negating any numbers advantage the offense might have gained by bringing more people into the box. If the run did somehow end up causing problems (which would most likely be due to individual defensive execution problems than any problems with the structure of the defense), the defense can switch to Cover 1 Man, or Cover 1 Robber, and bring one of the safeties down into the box in run support. They could also call Cover 3, and put one of the safeties in the box in run support. Lastly, the defense could call Quarters, which offers run support as well. Have the Patriots gotten gashed by the run when they have ran the 4-3/3-4 hybrid? |
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![]() Yeah. Saban's defense is always getting gashed by the run.
Cockytalk has these discussions every off season when a coach says we're going to implement new stuff. We run the 4-2-5. A versatile scheme which allows you to show many different looks. We aren't coming out in 3-4 every down. We will show it. Just like we'll show looks from 3-3-5, 4-4, 4-3. The Spur position allows you to do different things. |
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Who has the T? Who has the J? I assume by pulling the RG, you mean will they will pull and pick up the S, ala the "Power" play, correct? You never want to put a runner "1v1" with a defender. This isn't basketball. If that defender is even moderately competent at his job, he will tackle the runner and stop him with little to no gain, or even stop him for a loss. |
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![]() That's because Saban is too short to see over defence.
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![]() Well played sir
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