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Old 05-08-2014, 01:15 PM   #41
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I can't remember Johnny Manziel ever having a bad game .
both games he palyed vs lsu if i can remember right werent very good

..threw 5 ints and 1 td in both games combined vs LSU
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Lol last time I checked Dylan Thompson is a little cocky too. Anyone remember that first drive against ECU ? I want a guy like that behind center. Nothing wrong with that. I think cocky isn't the right word to use. If you're confident in your abilities, be as cocky as you want to be. Michael Jordan was cocky. Lebron James. Cam Newton. RICHARD SHERMAN. I can keep naming athletes.

I can understand why some people wouldn't like him. There's a few things I don't like (the rubbing money in his fingertips celebration is taking it a little far) but that's who he is. It shouldn't overshadow his playmaking ability.
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The guy has the best 3rd down QBR of anyone. In large part this is due to his running ability, but having watched him, I can tell you the progress from Florida 2012 to now has been incredible. I was completely frustrated with the guy after that game. But as the season progressed things got so much better, one because his receivers learned not to give up on routes and come back to the ball, but also, in the Alabama game that year, he made two throws in a row that were absolutely on the money and NOT from on the run. This year, I actually wanted him to take off more from time to time because he was so determined to show he could throw from the pocket, and his numbers dramatically improved. Poor mechanics, yeah, but like a good three point shooter don't mess with the form. The reads aren't as bad as some say, but can be improved with a bit more coaching. The guy only played two years of college ball. I fully expect him to be successful.
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I don't really care about anyone's personality outside of our team. When I watch star players on other teams play, I want to be entertained and for them play well (except against USC). Which Johnny does.

To me, watching JF play on Saturdays overshadows all of the off the field problems he has had.
I care when the personality affects how they play. He got in trouble off the field and it affected his play through being suspended, it gave the other team something to jaw about, which he didn't handle well and got multiple 15 yard penalties. Had that been against anyone but Rice, could have cost them the whole game. Read the in depth article about him they put out, they one where they followed he and his family around. The guy needs some help or he is going to be in rehab soon.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:07 PM   #46
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If he tries to do that stuff in the pros he is going to be this guy on morphine.

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There's also a plus side to being elusive and fast. escaping sacks and big hits.

I mean I understand cause for concern, but if he can run smart it benefits him greatly. Defensive backs hate that mess. Forces them to cover longer.
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There's also a plus side to being elusive and fast. escaping sacks and big hits.

I mean I understand cause for concern, but if he can run smart it benefits him greatly. Defensive backs hate that mess. Forces them to cover longer.
It's not smart in the pros. That is the problem. He has to get smart and stop running around like a chicken with his head cut off. He is an elf. He can't take a hit from NFL safties. NFL QB's lose their protection from the rules when they try to run. The defenders know that and will try right away to hit you in Careeroverville.

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I really don't understand the dislike for this guy.
Me neither....I expect him to play at the next level...not sure how good he'll be.
All the people proclaiming how great is Johnny Football's arrogance, have never met him.

About the same as people saying Jadeveon will be a bust...and there are plenty that have posted that out there.
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Lol last time I checked Dylan Thompson is a little cocky too.
And that whole thing is very subjective. I don't see any players in college like the arrogant ones we saw back in the '80's.
Manziel is pretty tame.....
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You'd take Connor Shaw over a Heisman winner? Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch IMO. Connor had the luxury of great defenses while Johnny had to score nearly every time he touched the ball and he pretty much did. In the SEC (we all love our conference pride don't we?). And although Connor's win % speaks for itself, Johnny did something Connor never could do and that is win a big game(s) on the road.

Blake Bortles is an interesting prospect but look at what he faced. He feasted on pretty weak defenses while Manziel picked the SEC apart.

Off the field actions aside, Manziel is the most talented QB in the draft IMO.

I just dont see it with him. I dont think he is going to amount to crap in the pros. What I meant by take Connor over him is because the talent is close but I dont get the bs with CS. Blake Bortles is the only QB I see coming out of this draft that may become a franchise QB. I kinda have a feeling that AJ McCarron could possible be a good QB also.
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The guy has the best 3rd down QBR of anyone. In large part this is due to his running ability, but having watched him, I can tell you the progress from Florida 2012 to now has been incredible. I was completely frustrated with the guy after that game. But as the season progressed things got so much better, one because his receivers learned not to give up on routes and come back to the ball, but also, in the Alabama game that year, he made two throws in a row that were absolutely on the money and NOT from on the run. This year, I actually wanted him to take off more from time to time because he was so determined to show he could throw from the pocket, and his numbers dramatically improved. Poor mechanics, yeah, but like a good three point shooter don't mess with the form. The reads aren't as bad as some say, but can be improved with a bit more coaching. The guy only played two years of college ball. I fully expect him to be successful.
I think if he goes somewhere where he can sit and learn and develop the mental side as well as the speed of the game along with the tinkering that is needed in his game he will be a solid guy for a number of years. But if he has to be THE guy from day one, I believe he will bounce around to a number of teams and eventually wash out. There are no old running QB's in the NFL so he HAS to learn to not scramble so easily and also scramble to pass not just tuck and run like he does more often. I refuse to say anybody will be a bust because it all depends on their situation they go to and their work ethic and mental ability. I'm not buying into him being successful yet but I won't count him as a washout yet either. I never doubt guys with heart and work ethic.
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I hope Dallas picks him up.

Same. Twitter would be in a frenzy. Everyone would hate the Cowboys even more with JFF behind center.
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Man I hope Dallas doesn't draft him. I don't want to hear about it every single day. I already hate hearing about Romo all the dang time.

I can already hear Dallas fans complaining about losing games because of Manziel. Followed by about 6 more 8-8 seasons in a row.
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Teams are starting to see you don't just get the football player.....you get the cocky, arrogant attitude. I don't think he will ever become a long term pocket passer.
Not true. They are seeing he is not an NFL caliber QB.
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I never missed a chance to watch him on TV at A&M, most exciting player in college football. But I think he has the same NFL strengths and weaknesses as Michael Vick...big arm, can make big plays out of nothing, and will sell a lot jerseys.

The downside, along with having to be in the right offense, is his style of play will lead to injury after injury, like Vick. He will also have the Tebow effect on a team in that whoever drafts him will have to play him immediately, ready or not, or face the wrath of fans.

As a GM I'd better be real secure in my job before taking him. As the marketing guy that's responsible for ticket and merchandise sales, I'd do anything to have him.
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I think Manziel will be a middle to lower tier player in the NFL. He already acts like he is the next coming of Peyton Manning, and that to me is troublesome. Seeing how he isn't a pocket passer, and why some of the guys on TV today have been saying he could be, is complete and total bullshit.
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Johnny did something Connor never could do and that is win a big game(s) on the road.
Can't believe you posted this....Mizzou '13? And bowl games are road games...it sure isn't W-B.
While agree with your assessment of JM, considering that Connor was a late bloomer, they don't compare and both had different approaches to the game.

I think JM has a much higher potential to make it in the NFL than Connor, but I don't count out Connor's ability to develop and mature.
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I think Manziel will be a middle to lower tier player in the NFL. He already acts like he is the next coming of Peyton Manning, and that to me is troublesome. Seeing how he isn't a pocket passer, and why some of the guys on TV today have been saying he could be, is complete and total bullshit.
Where do you get that he acts like Peyton Manning? I understand the doubt in his abilities, but the attack on his attitude?
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Where do you get that he acts like Peyton Manning? I understand the doubt in his abilities, but the attack on his attitude?
Really? His attitude? haha
Where have you been since 2013?

Also, I said he acts like he is the "Second Coming of Peyton Manning," not he acts like Peyton Manning.
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