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Old 05-11-2014, 05:11 AM   #81
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Shaw got his foot in the door. That's all that matters. Maybe being a qb on the same team as JF will bring attention to Shaw, too. I'm happy for him and we all know he will bust his ass to be the best player he can be no matter what city he's playing in.

Shaw is just recently emerging as a legit qb. If he continues on this path, he'll start reaching his full potential in a few years. I think he'll have a good career in the NFL.

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Vic on the other hand has a long road ahead of him. IDK if the coaches tried to convince him to stay or not, but after the slow start he had to start the year for whatever reason, he would have been wise to come back for another year. The draft was loaded with better cb's and it showed. A record nine were taken in the first round alone. It's evident to me now that Vic was listening to the wrong people. Remember Emanual Cook? At this point, it could be a similar situation. He'll make some money, but his career could be short lived and sporadic.

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Old 05-11-2014, 07:08 AM   #82
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There were def better places for him to go - like Jacksonville, for example.
Agree. Lots of variables in this for Connor....could get cut, then resigned elsewhere and find a place to work his way up. Really depends on how well he does in what they want him to do.

If he doesn't make it, it won't be because he didn't give 100%. But he is a smart guy....could surprise some people!
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Bad place for him to go. Doubt he'll be given adequate time and attn. in Cleveland to outshine Johnny. Teams don't often allow a first round pick to be overshadowed by an un drafted player. Especially one from the same draft class. Maybe they have plans to play him somewhere other than QB or maybe trade him.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:47 AM   #84
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Bad place for him to go. Doubt he'll be given adequate time and attn. in Cleveland to outshine Johnny. Teams don't often allow a first round pick to be overshadowed by an un drafted player. Especially one from the same draft class. Maybe they have plans to play him somewhere other than QB or maybe trade him.
dude...its Cleveland. The 4th string QB could see time.
Have you seen how they go through QBs indiscriminately?
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dude...its Cleveland. The 4th string QB could see time.
Have you seen how they go through QBs indiscriminately?
Agreed, but you don't draft a circus in JFB and allow that circus to be overshadowed in the least by another qb. There's always injury possibilities but something tells me there's more to it than just QB depth. Maybe not, but it would be a far better situation for Shaw to mentor under other than from JFB.
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Bad place for him to go. Doubt he'll be given adequate time and attn. in Cleveland to outshine Johnny. Teams don't often allow a first round pick to be overshadowed by an un drafted player. Especially one from the same draft class. Maybe they have plans to play him somewhere other than QB or maybe trade him.
I agree but I hope that Kyle S. will may be like Shaw the way he did Cousins in DC, and with time Shaw will get to play over Manziel.
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There were def better places for him to go - like Jacksonville, for example.
Actually, Jacksonville would be a terrible place for him to go. They just Signed Chad Henne to a 4 year deal and drafted a qb at number 3. No chance either one of those guys gets cut. Guaranteed to get cut there.
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Connor was not brought in to compete at all. He was taken tobe manziel's long term back-up... he is the poor mans johnny right? Take off the garnet goggles, connor is not better than johnny. He is also older, mobile but not as improvisational as johnny. He passes well also, but not as good. Be glad he's on a team and accept his role. Because even if he turns out beter at the pro level, $$$ rules.

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Connor was not brought in to compete at all. He was taken tobe manziel's long term back-up... he is the poor mans johnny right? Take off the garnet goggles, connor is not better than johnny. He is also older, mobile but not as improvisational as johnny. He passes well also, but not as good. Be glad he's on a team and accept his role. Because even if he turns out beter at the pro level, $$$ rules.

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I could beg to differ on that. Shaw has been extremely consistent, Manziel has not. NFL likes consistency, not someone who is flashy. So he won a Heisman, big deal. A lot of NFL Busts have won Heismans. Connor has a work ethic 1000x better than Manziel, and that could be the difference down the road to who eventually becomes a starter for what ever team they are on.
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I could beg to differ on that. Shaw has been extremely consistent, Manziel has not. NFL likes consistency, not someone who is flashy. So he won a Heisman, big deal. A lot of NFL Busts have won Heismans. Connor has a work ethic 1000x better than Manziel, and that could be the difference down the road to who eventually becomes a starter for what ever team they are on.
I agree with you! But connor was consistent on a mid-level, if he was high level, especially while jd was here he wouldve gotten recognition a while ago. Johnny came in as a frosh, and while not as consistent; his highs were really high and his lows were not low. Look at his progression from year 1 to year 2. And look at connor in his seasons as a starter. We had the benefitof a stout d. Manziel had no D, but almost every possesion he scored to keep his team in, not being saved by the D like connor because we couldn't push the ball. Imo johnny just has a higher ceiling. But I agree with your initial point. Connor pushing from behind only makes manziel better.

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And manziel didn't get drafted before all the other sec qb'sbecause he was flashy. It was his tape. And he had less taoe than murray, McCarron, and mettenburger.
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I could beg to differ on that. Shaw has been extremely consistent, Manziel has not. NFL likes consistency, not someone who is flashy. So he won a Heisman, big deal. A lot of NFL Busts have won Heismans. Connor has a work ethic 1000x better than Manziel, and that could be the difference down the road to who eventually becomes a starter for what ever team they are on.
What about the ECU game in Charlotte?

Players don't drafted because they are "flashy." Get real.
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What about the ECU game in Charlotte?

Players don't drafted because they are "flashy." Get real.
Haha, okay. Tell that to hundreds of Flashy players that have been drafted, and turned out to be a bust.

That ECU game your talking about, his first career start ever?
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Haha, okay. Tell that to hundreds of Flashy players that have been drafted, and turned out to be a bust.
So they're just drafted because they're flashy?
What about the guys that are fundamentally sound and not flashy? I bet you I can find tons of busts there too.

You are making absolutely no sense (mass you normally do).

We get it you're upset Shaw didn't get drafted and went to the same team as Johnny Manziel.
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So they're just drafted because they're flashy?
What about the guys that are fundamentally sound and not flashy? I bet you I can find tons of busts there too.

You are making absolutely no sense (mass you normally do).

We get it you're upset Shaw didn't get drafted and went to the same team as Johnny Manziel.
Thanks for the Personal Jab, have fun over on team Johnny DBAG.
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That ECU game your talking about, his first career start ever?
Yes, but you said he's been extremely consistent.
What about the Vandy, LSU and Florida games in 2013?

Not bashing Shaw (which I know you'll say I am) but just providing some games where he wasn't extremely consistent.
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Thanks for the Personal Jab, have fun over on team Johnny DBAG.
Ahhhh, the classic he said something favorable about the other guy therefore he's a fan of the other guy. (Or what, a Tater?)

Yea sorry I don't think he (Johnny) will be successful, he's Mike Vick all over again (on the field)
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[quote=TroubleCock;4155010]Connor was not brought in to compete at all. He was taken tobe manziel's long term back-up... he is the poor mans johnny right? Take off the garnet goggles, connor is not better than johnny. He is also older, mobile but not as improvisational as johnny. He passes well also, but not as good. Be glad he's on a team and accept his role. Because even if he turns out beter at the pro level, $$$ rules.

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I like Connor too, but I echo your sentiments. Johnny Manziel may not be the best role model, but he is no slouch at the quarterback position. I would also argue that he is a better athlete than Connor. Even though Johnny slipped he still got drafted in the 1st round. Connor did not.
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