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Old 05-11-2014, 02:36 AM   #861
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Maybe off the field they are similar because of their appetite for alcohol and women, but on the field Manziel is a completely different and highly decorated QB. You know, that Heisman trophy thing. First round pick.
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I gave a quite serious 2 part explanation to a question. How come you didn't accuse the guy who asked the question of trolling, you damned jerk?

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Old 05-11-2014, 08:30 AM   #864
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draft and draft stocks are a fickle thing. vic reportedly said that he was told he was a day 2 selection. kelcy was on mel kiper's top 32 players at one point this season and was a 2nd round prospect on a lot of boards after the season ended. in essence once everyone declares and they start scrutinizing the tape and your workouts/interviews that initial draft grade can be meaningless.
Totally true and I'm shaking my head at this.
I wonder if Quarles and Hampton Jr really thought they'd go in the first few rounds? They have any draft parties?
And there were a lot of no-bodies drafted that played at lower tier schools.

I think the biggest fallacy of those "projections" is they do not take into account all the "nobodies" out there that teams stumble upon that get thrown into the mix, as well as the players teams already have.
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Maybe off the field they are similar because of their appetite for alcohol and women, but on the field Manziel is a completely different and highly decorated QB. You know, that Heisman trophy thing. First round pick.

No...What I mean is Connor Shaw has to show he is better than the guy expected to start.

Johnny Manziel = Stephen Garcia as far as Connor Shaw is concerned right now.
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Nah....not even close.
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Nah....not even close.
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= RGIII

No...What I mean is Connor Shaw has to show he is better than the guy expected to start.

Johnny Manziel = Stephen Garcia as far as Connor Shaw is concerned right now.
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Nah....not even close.
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Or more likely he will equal
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Or more likely he will equal
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I'm no JM fan

But what makes you say he will "more likely" equal one of those busts?
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I'm no JM fan

But what makes you say he will "more likely" equal one of those busts?
First, the law of averages say it is more likely for a QB to be a bust than a success. Second, his style of game will not transition well to the NFL. He is not as good of a passer physically or mentally as a guy like RG III. Just look at how much RG III struggled last year when teams made him pass from the pocket. Manziel plays out of control and it will bite him. Also people ignore tha Manziel was surrounded by 3-5 first round picks on his offense, which had a lot to do with his success.

Time will tell but I figure Manziel will be a Vince Young type where they look good for a year or two but injuries and the D figuring them out will make Manziel a non story within 5-7 years.
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No...What I mean is Connor Shaw has to show he is better than the guy expected to start.

Johnny Manziel = Stephen Garcia as far as Connor Shaw is concerned right now.
Better than one of the 3 on the roster...he needs a place to develop.
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But guys like Kapernick and Wilson shake some of that up...only Young out of that group compares to Manziel.

I think we'll know pretty quickly if Manziel is going to do something or not. See what happens when he lines up against all that superior speed and athleticism. Or if the Browns can invent some kind of offense that Manziel can be effective in.
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But what makes you say he will "more likely" equal one of those busts?
Because he is an arrogant fool. He will step in something that stinks sooner or later, his attitude begs for it.
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Better than one of the 3 on the roster...he needs a place to develop.
But guys like Kapernick and Wilson shake some of that up...only Young out of that group compares to Manziel.

I think we'll know pretty quickly if Manziel is going to do something or not. See what happens when he lines up against all that superior speed and athleticism. Or if the Browns can invent some kind of offense that Manziel can be effective in.
The OC is Kyle shannahan so it's likely they will run the pistol and many of the same things he did with RG III.
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Because he is an arrogant fool. He will step in something that stinks sooner or later, his attitude begs for it.
His playing style will cause his downfall before his personality.

There are tons of arrogant football players like Johnny
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No...What I mean is Connor Shaw has to show he is better than the guy expected to start.

Johnny Manziel = Stephen Garcia as far as Connor Shaw is concerned right now.
Maybe Shaw can take over once the dust has settled in a couple of years. Manziel will most likely have a huge $ sign on his back as far as the Browns front office is concerned. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded if he doesn't light it up soon.
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Maybe Shaw can take over once the dust has settled in a couple of years. Manziel will most likely have a huge $ sign on his back as far as the Browns front office is concerned. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded if he doesn't light it up soon.
Yeah, as money hungry as Manziel is I am wondering if the Browns could even afford him for more than a few years after his initial non-negotiable contract.
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For the first time since 1937 the Texas Longhorns had ZERO players taken in the NFL Draft.
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For the first time since 1937 the Texas Longhorns had ZERO players taken in the NFL Draft.
Yeah I read that on ESPN earlier, and it is not surprising. They had a horrible team this year. No one stood out either.
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Yeah I read that on ESPN earlier, and it is not surprising. They had a horrible team this year. No one stood out either.
Texas was a game away from winning the Big 12 this year. If they beat Baylor last game of the season they would have been going to the Fiesta Bowl.


It's very surprising as Texas is arguably one of the best programs in the nation, players stood out, they just came back for their senior year or were Underclassmen.
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And Mack Brown wonders why he was let go. Seriously there is no excuse for Texas not to win 10 games every single season. None.
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