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Old 05-11-2014, 12:09 PM   #1
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Do you think he would have been drafted in 4th or 5th rounds? I am still completely clueless as to how NFL GM's and scouts can ignore a 24 TD to 1 INT season. So if he would have say, passed for 1,000 more yards or so, would he have received a better look from scouts? Or did Clowney's fame and presence really overshadow everyone else just that much?
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Default Re: If Connor Shaw's passing stats had been higher?

Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.
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I can't understand why GM's can turn their heads on a QB who is undefeated as a starter in Bowl games. Has defeated other SEC and ACC QB's consecutively that were drafted, is a hard worker and no off the field issues. I understand they think his durability and height is a question mark, but c'mon so is Mettenberger. The only difference is that he is 6'4.
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Default Re: If Connor Shaw's passing stats had been higher?

It's a size not stat issue with Shaw. His height, weight and hand size are all red flags for the NFL. I hope he gets a fair shake in Cleveland but that just doesn't seem like a good situation and fit for him.
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Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.
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Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.
I understand that. What I don't understand is how people can come to that conclusion before he has a chance to prove himself. If he would have went anywhere else I feel like he could have had the chance. But behind Manziel in Cleveland is just insane. He really got a sh*t deal.
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Default Re: If Connor Shaw's passing stats had been higher?

I was really hoping Harbaugh was going to give Connor a chance at San Francisco. The Niners are not deep at QB. Behind Kap, they have two average QBs in Bethel-Thompson and newly acquired Blaine Gabbert.

Niner's offense fits Connor's strengths. He would of been worth a look for SF.
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I think arm strength was the biggest factor in him not being drafted. Of course, his size hurt too, but Manziel isn't much bigger than Connor. The difference is Manziel can throw the ball 50 yards with a flick of his wrist, while Connor needs to run into a throw of that distance. I'm glad Connor is getting a shot with an NFL team, but I don't think Cleveland was an ideal situation for him.
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Do you think he would have been drafted in 4th or 5th rounds? I am still completely clueless as to how NFL GM's and scouts can ignore a 24 TD to 1 INT season. So if he would have say, passed for 1,000 more yards or so, would he have received a better look from scouts? Or did Clowney's fame and presence really overshadow everyone else just that much?
As you can see, I have a lot of questions.
His stats were fine. It was arm strength and height that kill him. More arm strength than anything.
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His stats were fine. It was arm strength and height that kill him. More arm strength than anything.
I have a question about that, and I have had it for a while. IF he or anyone else lacks arm strength throwing a football, why can't he just improve his strength in his arms, lifting weights, and gaining muscle.
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I can't understand why GM's can turn their heads on a QB who is undefeated as a starter in Bowl games. Has defeated other SEC and ACC QB's consecutively that were drafted, is a hard worker and no off the field issues. I understand they think his durability and height is a question mark, but c'mon so is Mettenberger. The only difference is that he is 6'4.
Hard to figure, but I thought a few of the other SEC qbs. would go higher. I figured he would go as a free agent, but honestly thought it would be better than Cleveland. & also with a team that didn't draft a qb. I was hoping with a very good qb that he could learn good mechanics from ! But hey maybe this is just a stepping stone for Connor, he can prove himself and another or maybe much better team will pick him up later.
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Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.
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All he needed was one team to take the chance.
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Do you think he would have been drafted in 4th or 5th rounds? I am still completely clueless as to how NFL GM's and scouts can ignore a 24 TD to 1 INT season. So if he would have say, passed for 1,000 more yards or so, would he have received a better look from scouts? Or did Clowney's fame and presence really overshadow everyone else just that much?
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What does that have to do with anything? If your talking mechanics, Connor Shaw did not and does not throw the ball or release it like Tim Tebow.
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I have a question about that, and I have had it for a while. IF he or anyone else lacks arm strength throwing a football, why can't he just improve his strength in his arms, lifting weights, and gaining muscle.
Just like I can't lift weights to throw a 90 mph fast ball. You have to be born with a gift. You can do things to improve it but you have to a physical talent to be able to throw a 3 step drop out. From what I've heard Connor can't do that. Not bashing him because I think he can play in the NFL under the right system. It's the something that hurts Tahj.
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I think arm strength was the biggest factor in him not being drafted. Of course, his size hurt too, but Manziel isn't much bigger than Connor. The difference is Manziel can throw the ball 50 yards with a flick of his wrist, while Connor needs to run into a throw of that distance. I'm glad Connor is getting a shot with an NFL team, but I don't think Cleveland was an ideal situation for him.
Connor is actually taller than Manziel by a little bit.
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Hard to figure, but I thought a few of the other SEC qbs. would go higher. I figured he would go as a free agent, but honestly thought it would be better than Cleveland. & also with a team that didn't draft a qb. I was hoping with a very good qb that he could learn good mechanics from ! But hey maybe this is just a stepping stone for Connor, he can prove himself and another or maybe much better team will pick him up later.
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Improving his arm strength is not about lifting weights. It's about stretching out those quick twitch muscles. Bigger arms don't mean more arm strength unless you are doing throwing drills to improve those other muscles too. Can he improve it? Yes, some. He'll never have the arm strength of Drew Brees but he can have the arm strength of an average QB in the league and that's good enough to have a long career.
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Do you think he would have been drafted in 4th or 5th rounds? I am still completely clueless as to how NFL GM's and scouts can ignore a 24 TD to 1 INT season. So if he would have say, passed for 1,000 more yards or so, would he have received a better look from scouts? Or did Clowney's fame and presence really overshadow everyone else just that much?
As you can see, I have a lot of questions.
What's surprising to you? The NFL is a passing league right now, and Connor doesn't have the stats or measurables. Sure he's a winner, and sure he's a hard working Christian guy, SO WHAT? The NFL wants guys that look good on paper.
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