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Old 05-13-2014, 04:47 PM   #201
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Trindon. And he was a late 6th round pick, not "1-3 elite".
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Can't actually back up any of your points so...emojis.

You said Byrd was "elite" and "probably the only guy w/ an NFL future". You then defined "elite" as "1-3 rounds". You then cited something named "Trinton Holliday" as an example of why Byrd's speed would make him elite. You then have no response when "Trinton" doesn't fit your own criteria by virtue of being a late 6th round pick.

So I accept your apology.
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Has Hampton been picked up by anybody yet?
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My husband's ex-wife's husband played in the NFL for ten years and won a superbowl ring with the Giants.



His retirement, when he finally gets it with the NFL is only $1200 a month.



Because he wasn't a big name player and only earned the union minimum, he certainly didn't come out of the NFL a millionaire. At 32, he had a busted up body and a small nest egg. His body has aged a decade before him. I don't think he thinks the NFL was worth it.



His degree did more for his future than the NFL did.

Isn't the minimum around $400k a year? And he played for 10 years?


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Trindon was a better player in college than Byrd.
And was drafted purely on his kick return skills.
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it is allowed in hockey and baseball. now they have 30 round drafts which allow a team to lay claim with less risk should the player return (still can't have had agents, taken $$ etc.). Still as I understand it presents at least as many problems as it solves. If a player doesn't take the steps to remove the option of returning ( agent etc.) then typically he is going to drop like a stone in the draft even in sports where draft is far less important than it is in FB or Basketball. It becomes self fullfilling. Dropping lessens the payoff for going pro and thus makes it more likely the player will not go pro and thus decreases the value of risking a pic on him thus dropping him still lower and around it goes.
hockey and baseball are not fair comparisons to the nfl because they have minor leagues
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He played from the mid eighties to mid nineties.

Also, in the NFL, if you don't play, you don't get paid and you get paid per game so even if the minimum is $400,000, only a fraction of players actually get paid that amount.

Injured players don't get a penny.

Unlike the NBA, NFL is really screwed up.
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He played from the mid eighties to mid nineties.

Also, in the NFL, if you don't play, you don't get paid and you get paid per game so even if the minimum is $400,000, only a fraction of players actually get paid that amount.

Injured players don't get a penny.

Unlike the NBA, NFL is really screwed up.
Almost totally incorrect. The salary is paid proportionally by weeks on the active roster (even if not activated for a game). Players on IR are paid their salary, even if they didn't suit up for a game all year. The union has protected the players from the abuses of the 1950's, '60's, and '70's, except for some of the injury stuff that shows up years after leaving the league. The players who don't get a good pension now (about 50K minimum), are the ones not activated for enough games during an approximate 5 year career.
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Almost totally incorrect. The salary is paid proportionally by weeks on the active roster (even if not activated for a game). Players on IR are paid their salary, even if they didn't suit up for a game all year. The union has protected the players from the abuses of the 1950's, '60's, and '70's, except for some of the injury stuff that shows up years after leaving the league. The players who don't get a good pension now (about 50K minimum), are the ones not activated for enough games during an approximate 5 year career.
I'm just repeating what HE told me about his career in the NFL. He did not get paid one penny if he didn't play and he played for the Giants and the Panthers. His retirement is nowhere near $50,000 per year.

His retirement was based on playing a minimum number of games for a minimum number of years consecutively. I think it was ten games in five years so his retirement is actually only based on five years.

Considering the abuse their bodies take, getting to retirement sounds pretty tough.
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Good to know. There are 250+ picks every year, so some other guys may get a shot depending on their production in 2014.
Agreed. I think at least 5 will get picked but there will most likely be a lot of 3rd day picks.
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hockey and baseball are not fair comparisons to the nfl because they have minor leagues
true they do, but the fact that they do makes it more likely a drafted player who does go pro makes a roster and does receive the compensation his slot in the draft would pay. Thus seemingly decreasing the risk a player takes by making himself avail in that should an NFL draftee get cut up front his earnings r close to nill.
point being that only speaks to the differing risk taken by the player in this draft vs that not how draft risk affects the team doing the drafting and thus influencing the slot inwhich a player is taken.
regardless of where a player is drafted and in what league if he elects not to sign with the team that drafted him that team loses both the money and time spent evauluating said player and the draft pick itself. by allowing a CFP to return and dismiss the fact that he was drafted represents the same risk as drafting an NHL prospect who may elect to forgo his draft slot and reenter at a later date. the very fact that this does happen in the NHL, MLB typically devaulues a player who still has the option to opt out. and would do the same in CF under your premise. in baseball if a 5th round talent drops 3 or more rounds due to this risk he is still drafted and as you noted can still latch ( minor leagues). In the nfl if that same 5th round pick drops several or more rounds in value he is out of luck.
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I'm just repeating what HE told me about his career in the NFL. He did not get paid one penny if he didn't play and he played for the Giants and the Panthers. His retirement is nowhere near $50,000 per year.

His retirement was based on playing a minimum number of games for a minimum number of years consecutively. I think it was ten games in five years so his retirement is actually only based on five years.

Considering the abuse their bodies take, getting to retirement sounds pretty tough.
I was referring to current (post 2000) stuff. The earlier players (mostly pre-strike) had nowhere near the protections or guaranteed compensation of today. Owners often think they are the league, but the players are game (the industry). Now I believe players get a cut a good deal of the things fans spend money on, including jerseys and paraphernalia. It wasn't always that way. I just hope Hampton gets a shot at earning a share of the revenue.
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Kelcy was right to go. He wasn't gonna get 9.5 sacks again. His stock was not gonna rise.

It's hard to say on Vic, as he was a character concern more so than a talent concern.
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Kelcy was right to go. He wasn't gonna get 9.5 sacks again. His stock was not gonna rise.

It's hard to say on Vic, as he was a character concern more so than a talent concern.
Totally agree on both. If Quarles had come back for next year and his production goes down (it probably will), we will be calling him Tajh and he should have left. The issue for Quarles was more due stiffness due to some spine or neck condition. Coming back wasn't going to fix that.
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Agreed. I think at least 5 will get picked but there will most likely be a lot of 3rd day picks.
That sounds about right; particularly since not everyone I listed is going to be in the same draft.
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Can't actually back up any of your points so...emojis.

You said Byrd was "elite" and "probably the only guy w/ an NFL future". You then defined "elite" as "1-3 rounds". You then cited something named "Trinton Holliday" as an example of why Byrd's speed would make him elite. You then have no response when "Trinton" doesn't fit your own criteria by virtue of being a late 6th round pick.

So I accept your apology.
And your point is?
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That's not true. Players sliding like Matt Barkley happens a lot less than players leaving a year too soon.
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I'd be willing to bet Mike Davis goes in round 1. The decline in running backs getting drafted has to with the changing nature of the game, but it also has to do with the quality of the crop of running backs coming out each year. Mike Davis is better than Bishop Sankey, and i think Davis is the closest thing to Adrian Peterson that has come around in the last few years.
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I'd be willing to bet Mike Davis goes in round 1. The decline in running backs getting drafted has to with the changing nature of the game, but it also has to do with the quality of the crop of running backs coming out each year. Mike Davis is better than Bishop Sankey, and i think Davis is the closest thing to Adrian Peterson that has come around in the last few years.
Mike Davis isn't even the best running back in the sec east in my opinion.
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