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Old 05-16-2014, 01:07 PM   #101
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I don't understanding the downplaying of Manziel's on the field accomplishments. In a conference that is touted for it's defense, he put up some pretty lofty numbers.

I've probably seen only 2 posters with logical reasons why Manziel won't do well.

Agreed, there is a possibility that his style of play won't translate. The rest here just don't like him.

If he played for us ya'll would love him
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What kind of character issues does Johnny have? Give me some specifics here.
1. Well, if you believe he really signed thousands of autographs for free, then I guess you are beyond reasoning with. He avoided getting found guilty, but he obviously (to everyone else) signed stuff for cash which is breaking the rules he agreed to when he went to college. You can disagree with this rule all you want, but if a person is willing to break some when they feel its justified, then you might just want to be careful if you are his team.

2. I really hope he doesn't but the ESPN article about him basically states the kid could be a borderline alcoholic if he doesn't get that under control. Now that he has all the money of his own that he wants and he is free to do what he feels is best in Cleveland I would be pretty shocked if we don't hear his name soon in some pretty questionable scenarios.

3. He disrespected his coach and his team with his personal antics against Rice, basically shoving himself past Sumlin as Sumlin was trying to talk to him. That speak to not putting the team above self, general self-righteousness and arrogance as well as a lack of self-control, which harkens back to number 2.

4. The only guy to be asked to leave the Manning Passing Academy early this year, due to at best being ill (even though he could visit the bars those same evenings), to oversleeping and being late to his appointments, to at worst he having a hangover after a night of partying. And when confronted with this, he blames AJ McCarron for not waking him up. Awesome...

So far, I have:

1. A history of bending/breaking the rules he agrees to when it feels it personally suits him.
2. A lack of self-control, discipline.
3. Disrespect of those in authority over him/arrogance.
4. Lack of personal accountability when he screws something up.

Sounds like a real gem of a pro prospect.
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^^^ Thanks for saving me a bunch of typing Trapper....
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I don't understanding the downplaying of Manziel's on the field accomplishments. In a conference that is touted for it's defense, he put up some pretty lofty numbers.

I've probably seen only 2 posters with logical reasons why Manziel won't do well.

Agreed, there is a possibility that his style of play won't translate. The rest here just don't like him.

If he played for us ya'll would love him
As much as I hate to admit; I must 2nd this. He plays confident and reckless at the same time...it appears he knows the ability of his receivers to just chuck it up like he does at times....just like we did with Alshon when SG was our QB...
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Also for the record regarding Character issues. (minus being arrested)

Apparently some scouts have said some things about about AJ McCarron during his interviews at the combine (reason's he may have slipped)
Now that is another D-bag.
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Highly doubt either Shaw or Manziel turn into a long NFL starting QB, but Shaw has just as much chance as Manziel at doing so. And based on their character, I'd put my money on Shaw.

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Highly doubt either Shaw or Manziel turn into a long NFL starting QB, but Shaw has just as much chance as Manziel at doing so. And based on their character, I'd put my money on Shaw.

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1. Well, if you believe he really signed thousands of autographs for free, then I guess you are beyond reasoning with. He avoided getting found guilty, but he obviously (to everyone else) signed stuff for cash which is breaking the rules he agreed to when he went to college. You can disagree with this rule all you want, but if a person is willing to break some when they feel its justified, then you might just want to be careful if you are his team.

2. I really hope he doesn't but the ESPN article about him basically states the kid could be a borderline alcoholic if he doesn't get that under control. Now that he has all the money of his own that he wants and he is free to do what he feels is best in Cleveland I would be pretty shocked if we don't hear his name soon in some pretty questionable scenarios.

3. He disrespected his coach and his team with his personal antics against Rice, basically shoving himself past Sumlin as Sumlin was trying to talk to him. That speak to not putting the team above self, general self-righteousness and arrogance as well as a lack of self-control, which harkens back to number 2.

4. The only guy to be asked to leave the Manning Passing Academy early this year, due to at best being ill (even though he could visit the bars those same evenings), to oversleeping and being late to his appointments, to at worst he having a hangover after a night of partying. And when confronted with this, he blames AJ McCarron for not waking him up. Awesome...

So far, I have:

1. A history of bending/breaking the rules he agrees to when it feels it personally suits him.
2. A lack of self-control, discipline.
3. Disrespect of those in authority over him/arrogance.
4. Lack of personal accountability when he screws something up.

Sounds like a real gem of a pro prospect.
Don't forget he apparently shoved a Grad Assistant at a practice. The kid doesn't respect authority.

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I'm not wearing garnet glasses. Did you not see I said neither will be a long term NFL starting QB?

Roll with you who want, but just because they're an NFL team doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. A lot more people DON'T pan out than people that do.

Manziel is athletic but his unconventional style doesn't translate well into the NFL. Guys are bigger and faster and play better D. He won't be able to just toss the ball up for a jump ball and see who comes down with it.

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I'm not wearing garnet glasses. Did you not see I said neither will be a long term NFL starting QB?

Roll with you who want, but just because they're an NFL team doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. A lot more people DON'T pan out than people that do.

Manziel is athletic but his unconventional style doesn't translate well into the NFL. Guys are bigger and faster and play better D. He won't be able to just toss the ball up for a jump ball and see who comes down with it.

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To the extent he tosses up jumpballs, then fine. But I disagree with that notion in general. Manziel didn't complete 68% of his passes as a sophomore and 69% of them as a junior as a fluke.

Did he throw some jump balls b/c he had Mike Evans there to go up and get them? Sure. But did we criticize Garcia for doing that when he had Alshon? No, we called it smart to take advantage of such a great weapon.

I'm not a Manziel fan, but I'll give credit where it's due. He was one of the best passers (not just runners) in the game the past 2 seasons.
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I don't understanding the downplaying of Manziel's on the field accomplishments. In a conference that is touted for it's defense, he put up some pretty lofty numbers.
I've probably seen only 2 posters with logical reasons why Manziel won't do well.
Agreed, there is a possibility that his style of play won't translate. The rest here just don't like him.
If he played for us ya'll would love him
People would be comparing him to Steve Tanneyhill...and loving Manziel for taunting the taters.
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You can do that if you wish. The Browns don't really have a great history of picking QB's at the top.
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I don't understanding the downplaying of Manziel's on the field accomplishments. In a conference that is touted for it's defense, he put up some pretty lofty numbers.

I've probably seen only 2 posters with logical reasons why Manziel won't do well.

Agreed, there is a possibility that his style of play won't translate. The rest here just don't like him.

If he played for us ya'll would love him
No, I wouldn't. I would always cheer for him to do well because that means the Gamecocks win, but I would not "love" someone that behaves the way Johnny Manziel behaves.
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To the extent he tosses up jumpballs, then fine. But I disagree with that notion in general. Manziel didn't complete 68% of his passes as a sophomore and 69% of them as a junior as a fluke.

Did he throw some jump balls b/c he had Mike Evans there to go up and get them? Sure. But did we criticize Garcia for doing that when he had Alshon? No, we called it smart to take advantage of such a great weapon.

I'm not a Manziel fan, but I'll give credit where it's due. He was one of the best passers (not just runners) in the game the past 2 seasons.
I am not taking anything away from his on field ability when I say that I don't think he will have the same amount of time in the NFL to do what he did in college. Yes, in college it worked out well, but now you are playing against the best from every other school, and that extra half second you got scrambling around which allowed that receiver to get open might not be there. This is especially true if you are rushing to the far sideline, which is much closer to the hashmark in the NFL than it is in college. Less space to maneuver = less time. And there is the little point that when these guys hit you and you are his size, you might not be able to play for a game or two.

But as a college QB, he was very talented, no doubt about it. I wonder what he could've done with a better attitude.
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No, I wouldn't. I would always cheer for him to do well because that means the Gamecocks win, but I would not "love" someone that behaves the way Johnny Manziel behaves.
Well you're the outlier. Sorry.

Majority of our fan base would love him.

Reminds me of Garcia with More talent. I loved Garcia.
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Well you're the outlier. Sorry.

Majority of our fan base would love him.

Reminds me of Garcia with More talent. I loved Garcia.
I wouldn't go as far to say he has more talent than Garcia, Garcia had a hell of a high ceiling, he just failed to reach it.
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Well you're the outlier. Sorry.

Majority of our fan base would love him.

Reminds me of Garcia with More talent. I loved Garcia.
I rooted for Garcia to do well, but hated that he pissed away such a good opportunity. Garcia's idea of bowl game preparation was using the Playstation to challenge the other team on NCAA football. He was a big reason we went 0-3 in bowl games with losses to Iowa, Uconn and Florida State while he was the QB.
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