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Old 05-27-2014, 12:34 AM   #61
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I started crossfit in September and if you don't check your ego at the door you can get hurt (along with any kind of working out).
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I would never argue that you couldn't outrun a lifter or out lift a runner. Not knowing anything about your actual fitness level, I can only assume that if you are doing something more than somebody else you are (probably) better at it than them. The lifter doesn't care that you can out run him and the runner doesn't care that you can out lift him. What's an example of a typical life scenario involving lifting something and carrying it over a long distance that you don't feel a long distance runner or a power lifter/body builder can do, and that somebody who does cross fit is more capable of?

I don't think that specialists are adept at everything. Depending on what level you believe somebody has to reach to be "adept" at something I would say that somebody who does cross fit isn't really adept at anything. The specialists are the ones that are adept at things. Somebody who splits their time trying to be good at everything ends up only being kind of good at any of them. Synonyms for adept on google include: expert, masterful, virtuoso. I think of virtuoso as somewhat of a musical term, and the virtuosos are the ones that devote their lives to mastering one instrument, not the guy at church that's pretty good at guitar, piano, sax, trumpet, drums, and can sing a little bit.

I also think that's an interesting way to say fitness must be determined. "Can you lift something and carry it over a long distance?" Well, what are we lifting and how far is "a long distance?" Who gets to decide what the distance and weight is? I mean if you pick something heavy enough the power lifter will be the most fit no matter the distance because the other guys can't even pick it up. If you pick something light and make the distance far enough the distance runner is probably going to win.

I'm not rational? I'd be curious to see you point out something I've said in this thread that is irrational. I'm also not really sure why you are questioning whether or not I read the post on fringe athletes or why you keep explaining that people who specialize aren't great at everything. That's what it means to specialize. Your primary care doctor is a Jack of All trades. He/she can handle any routine thing that isn't too serious. When you have a brain tumor he sends you to a specialist. That specialist isn't the same guy you want to go see when you tear the ligaments in your knee and you need them surgically repaired. You also don't want your primary care doctor cutting your knee open and trying to put things back together.

I generally lift 5 times a week. Typical leg day, back day, chest day, shoulder day, arm day. Generally after I lift I try to walk on an incline on the treadmill for 10-15 minutes just to burn a few extra calories and get my heart rate up for a little bit. Depending on how my weekends go I usually try to get in to do abs and a little extended cardio. Still nothing super intense on the cardio though. Trying to bulk up. Also typing this out makes me realize I've really been slacking on the abs. I need to make that more of a priority. I'm happy to report that without Cross Fit I am able to meet all of life's daily physical demands.
Crossfit isn't for everybody.

I would bet $ though that your resting heart rate would be lower after one to two months of crossfit classes attending at at least 3 times per week during that time frame. (that is also just going in and doing normal wods during the week. not training for the test)
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I would bet $ though that your resting heart rate would be lower after one to two months of crossfit classes attending at at least 3 times per week during that time frame. (that is also just going in and doing normal wods during the week. not training for the test)
No way. That incline walk coupled with some cable curls already has him squared away
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I would bet $ though that your resting heart rate would be lower after one to two months of crossfit classes attending at at least 3 times per week during that time frame. (that is also just going in and doing normal wods during the week. not training for the test)
I'm sure it would get lower. It would be silly for me to argue that doing more cardio wouldn't have that effect. That's what doing more cardio does. My muscles also wouldn't grow as much. Not talking about strength. Purely physical size.

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I do cable curls probably every other week, but I usually try to do more barbell and dumbell stuff and hit at least 2 different grips in every workout. Typically I try to make sure to mix up grip width as well so I can focus different parts of the bicep more. I also like to do some isometric work in at least one set of curls to increase time under tension.
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I'm sure it would get lower. It would be silly for me to argue that doing more cardio wouldn't have that effect. That's what doing more cardio does. My muscles also wouldn't grow as much. Not talking about strength. Purely physical size.



I do cable curls probably every other week, but I usually try to do more barbell and dumbell stuff and hit at least 2 different grips in every workout. Typically I try to make sure to mix up grip width as well so I can focus different parts of the bicep more. I also like to do some isometric work in at least one set of curls to increase time under tension.
I've worked out in multiple settings - gym, box (crossfit) and p90x so I don't bash anyone. I can honestly say that I have gotten much better results and overall fitness (weight loss and being healthier) doing the p90 and crossfit. The issue with p90 is that it is muscle confusion for the first 90 or 180 days but after that it gets old - quick. You will never do the same workout twice in crossfit unless its bench mark week (doing the same week of workouts every 3-4 months to see gains or losses)

You do get great results if you are smart and know your limits so you don't get hurt or burned out. There are idiots in crossfit that give it a bad rap like each of our fan bases at time .

I'm 31 years old and I'm a MAN! (jk) and I thought I was in pretty good shape until I started crossfit and then I realized that I had a long way to go (I mean - I have never stopped working out in my mind - Have you?..). I've always run and gone to the Y (still a member and go sometimes) I can definitely tell since September when I go out and play ball or run that my motor is much better than it was when I was even in my early 20s. It can scare the hell out of you though since you know the workouts is going to whoop your ass each time but know matter how strong or fit you are, it doesn't get easier - you just get faster. It is also neat because you have other people going through the same thing right next to you and when one person is finished, they cheer on the other people still working.

You should drop by a box and just do the intro workout sometime for kicks.
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This just popped up on my facebook feed. I thought I would share it and see what everyone thinks. People seem to be fairly opinionated when it comes to CrossFit

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/why-i-dont-do-crossfit/
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This just popped up on my facebook feed. I thought I would share it and see what everyone thinks. People seem to be fairly opinionated when it comes to CrossFit

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/why-i-dont-do-crossfit/
Yeah, I had the privilege of having that sent to me by about 10 people today - haha. Disagree, wholeheartedly of course, but the defense is getting to be tiring.
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Yeah, I had the privilege of having that sent to me by about 10 people today - haha. Disagree, wholeheartedly of course, but the defense is getting to be tiring.
The article is nothing new. The same criticisms have been lobbed for years, and the assumptions those criticisms are based on keep on being debunked, but that doesnt stop people from reading it and buying it, hook-line-and-sinker.

Fact is- many people avoid crossfit (and workouts that have the same concept) because they are HARD.

I mean, they're REALLY difficult.

And what would a person expect? "Oh, I can get in a complete workout in 30 minutes or less? Sweet! Oh, its going to be the most grueling 20 minutes of my life? Well damn...oh, look- an article that justifies my trepidation! Therefore, I should not put myself through such a strenuous workout!"
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I've worked out in multiple settings - gym, box (crossfit) and p90x so I don't bash anyone. I can honestly say that I have gotten much better results and overall fitness (weight loss and being healthier) doing the p90 and crossfit. The issue with p90 is that it is muscle confusion for the first 90 or 180 days but after that it gets old - quick. You will never do the same workout twice in crossfit unless its bench mark week (doing the same week of workouts every 3-4 months to see gains or losses)

You do get great results if you are smart and know your limits so you don't get hurt or burned out. There are idiots in crossfit that give it a bad rap like each of our fan bases at time .

I'm 31 years old and I'm a MAN! (jk) and I thought I was in pretty good shape until I started crossfit and then I realized that I had a long way to go (I mean - I have never stopped working out in my mind - Have you?..). I've always run and gone to the Y (still a member and go sometimes) I can definitely tell since September when I go out and play ball or run that my motor is much better than it was when I was even in my early 20s. It can scare the hell out of you though since you know the workouts is going to whoop your ass each time but know matter how strong or fit you are, it doesn't get easier - you just get faster. It is also neat because you have other people going through the same thing right next to you and when one person is finished, they cheer on the other people still working.

You should drop by a box and just do the intro workout sometime for kicks.
I don't think I've bashed Cross Fit in this thread. Only pointed out that it's not possible to focus equal effort on all aspects of fitness and master any of them, just like it's not possible to master every musical instrument or every practice of medicine. Obviously there are going to be some freaks out there, but the average Joe just won't be able to. IMO the standard is set in any given category by the elite. That's how I'm looking at this. You won't do Cross Fit and have the flexibility of a gymnast, the endurance of a distance runner, the size of a body builder, the strength of a power lifter, etc.

We all have different goals, and if you want to be above average at a lot of things then something like Cross Fit is a good choice if you're smart about it. I personally want to excel at one thing. It happens to be the most vain thing, and I suppose the one that's least related to actual physical ability, but that's what I'm after. Make em bigger, then make em stronger, right?

For me personally, where I'm at now and what my goals are, I'm lifting for size, and Cross Fit is not going to get me where I want to be. Facts of life.
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The article is nothing new. The same criticisms have been lobbed for years, and the assumptions those criticisms are based on keep on being debunked, but that doesnt stop people from reading it and buying it, hook-line-and-sinker.

Fact is- many people avoid crossfit (and workouts that have the same concept) because they are HARD.

I mean, they're REALLY difficult.

And what would a person expect? "Oh, I can get in a complete workout in 30 minutes or less? Sweet! Oh, its going to be the most grueling 20 minutes of my life? Well damn...oh, look- an article that justifies my trepidation! Therefore, I should not put myself through such a strenuous workout!"
Ha ha - There are a few workouts that come along every couple of weeks that'll make me want to slice my thighs off when having to go upstairs to yell at the kids :)

I have a great coach where I workout and he will make people go lower on weight if he feels they can't handle the Rx workout. The keys to having a successful time at a box and to be a good crossfitter is to A) Check your ego and know what you can handle keeping good form and B) Having a good coach that won't put you at risk. I mean the time is just an arbitrary number anyway.
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For me personally, where I'm at now and what my goals are, I'm lifting for size, and Cross Fit is not going to get me where I want to be. Facts of life.
Nuff said. Crossfit definitely won't get you a stronger bench press and more bulk.

It'll also lower peoples back squats that come from a normal gym setting as you go a little bit lower (depth) on the back squat so you can't move as much weight.
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everyone has different fitness goals. I see the benefits really in most workout routines, so
Im not really going to attack any certain kind. if crossfit is what you do for fitness, cool. hell id rather see my generation at least doing something active then sit around and get fat all day. my personal goals are to really bulk up, Ive been lifting heavily, and eating heavily.
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I don't think I've bashed Cross Fit in this thread. Only pointed out that it's not possible to focus equal effort on all aspects of fitness and master any of them, just like it's not possible to master every musical instrument or every practice of medicine. Obviously there are going to be some freaks out there, but the average Joe just won't be able to. IMO the standard is set in any given category by the elite. That's how I'm looking at this. You won't do Cross Fit and have the flexibility of a gymnast, the endurance of a distance runner, the size of a body builder, the strength of a power lifter, etc.

We all have different goals, and if you want to be above average at a lot of things then something like Cross Fit is a good choice if you're smart about it. I personally want to excel at one thing. It happens to be the most vain thing, and I suppose the one that's least related to actual physical ability, but that's what I'm after. Make em bigger, then make em stronger, right?

For me personally, where I'm at now and what my goals are, I'm lifting for size, and Cross Fit is not going to get me where I want to be. Facts of life.
Agree with all that - why didn't you just say that sooner? haha
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program bashing is the mark of weak mind(and probably body). no i dont crossfit. actually the only workout i get now is wrangling kids. some of the comments remind me of those douchebags that strut around the gym, they aint there to improve themselves, only to look like they are. as far as the resting heart rate being lower argument, if i keep eating bacon and drinking beer, i am going to beat all you heath nuts one day.
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program bashing is the mark of weak mind(and probably body). no i dont crossfit. actually the only workout i get now is wrangling kids. some of the comments remind me of those douchebags that strut around the gym, they aint there to improve themselves, only to look like they are. as far as the resting heart rate being lower argument, if i keep eating bacon and drinking beer, i am going to beat all you heath nuts one day.
I may give you a decent run on beer and bacon - two staples of my "diet"

Also, here's one last rebuttal. Friend of mine just put it up, its pretty good.

http://derzfitlife.wordpress.com/201...dont-crossfit/
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Actually, most of the obstacle endurance racers are cross-fit people...I'm not talking about those pansy ass 3mile/5k runs I'm talking the half-marathon + mud + obstacle runners.

The danger is not in cross-fit but with the fly by the weekend "certified coaches" who don't know cross-fit from a hole in the ground.

You can get a level certification for about $1000 and be 400lbs with asthma and CHD. You need a REAL trainer with personal experience AND knowledge of why and ability to explain functional movements.

The person that figures out how to market CrossFit brand into a smaller class that focuses these things, regulates the "trainers" and teaches basics--walk before you run.

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I may give you a decent run on beer and bacon - two staples of my "diet"

Also, here's one last rebuttal. Friend of mine just put it up, its pretty good.

http://derzfitlife.wordpress.com/201...dont-crossfit/
i would one day like to take you up on that challenge. I do have an unfair advantage so i may have to spot you a few cold ones and a pound or so of crispy goodness. and no, i am not complaining about that.....
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:50 AM   #79
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I don't hate Crossfit at all. I'm happy for people who find something they love.

Do I get annoyed with the constant social media posts? Yes. But I also get annoyed with constant baby posts from new moms. That's just me. People probably get annoyed with stuff I post.
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Nuff said. Crossfit definitely won't get you a stronger bench press and more bulk.

It'll also lower peoples back squats that come from a normal gym setting as you go a little bit lower (depth) on the back squat so you can't move as much weight.
Just not true, you can customize Crossfit WOD's to fit what you would like to emphasize, while building containerized living units in the middle of the Persian Gulf for American and NATO soldiers I started Crossfit with the Armory SGT since we were on an oil platform with limited resources. He went to Crossfit academy to become certified and would customize the workout for endurance for me and others to eventually strength for me, improved my core and then my bench by almost 100lbs in 6 months as well as improving my mile time by almost a minute. The last sentence is absurd, I can move more weight with a parallel squat now then ever and still do deep squats with less weight for flexibility leading to more strength. The point of the story is no matter how you workout any workout can be customized to emphasize what you would like to get out of it, the group I worked out with on the OPLAT included a female body builder, British special forces officer, several Navy Seals, a pure power lifter and 5 other ladies, we all did the same warm up and WOD daily though most would be customized for the individual as far as reps, weight, and time.
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