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Old 05-31-2014, 09:56 AM   #21
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The NCAA has done a terrible job. That being said, I would be very cautious of stepping out from under that umbrella. The NCAA is the punishing body, not fellow schools.

Presumably, if Division IV is created, the schools will be responsible for enforcing and punishing themselves. If you think cheating is rampant now, just wait. The ACC isn't going to punish a fellow school if it thinks it will put that school at a disadvantage and so forth. It could be the Wild Wild West.

The only way to make that work is to appoint an independent, third party organization to handle compliance and enforcement. Then you are back to the NCAA.
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At least Slive got it rolling and discussions will take place. Didn't take long to get a football playoff once the talks really heated up. South Carolina Gamecocks Division IV Football National Champs? That's fine with me cause we'd be playing and beating the best of the best in a Division IV model.
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The NCAA has done a terrible job. That being said, I would be very cautious of stepping out from under that umbrella. The NCAA is the punishing body, not fellow schools.

Presumably, if Division IV is created, the schools will be responsible for enforcing and punishing themselves. If you think cheating is rampant now, just wait. The ACC isn't going to punish a fellow school if it thinks it will put that school at a disadvantage and so forth. It could be the Wild Wild West.

The only way to make that work is to appoint an independent, third party organization to handle compliance and enforcement. Then you are back to the NCAA.

The article states that a Division IV would still be under the NCAA umbrella
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The NCAA has done a terrible job. That being said, I would be very cautious of stepping out from under that umbrella. The NCAA is the punishing body, not fellow schools.

Presumably, if Division IV is created, the schools will be responsible for enforcing and punishing themselves. If you think cheating is rampant now, just wait. The ACC isn't going to punish a fellow school if it thinks it will put that school at a disadvantage and so forth. It could be the Wild Wild West.

The only way to make that work is to appoint an independent, third party organization to handle compliance and enforcement. Then you are back to the NCAA.
I would think an independent body overseeing a Division IV wouldn't be as strict as the NCAA.
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LOL wow...why are people talking about paying players in this thread? Please show me one part in Slive's statements that reference paying players. The full cost of attendance is NOT pay for play.
Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what the Power Conferences want and paying players is on that list, this is nothing but political posturing by Slive. The Power 5 want pro athletes for football and basketball if you can't understand this then you are out of your mind. The corruption that will follow this will make the 1980s of college football look crystal clean. How about the Power Conferences and Universities start by cleaning up their drug/underage drinking problem, the rape problems, the domestic violence problems, the academic problems before they worry about forming a new division, these problems are rampant across college athletics and needs a ton of reform.
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Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what the Power Conferences want and paying players is on that list, this is nothing but political posturing by Slive. The Power 5 want pro athletes for football and basketball if you can't understand this then you are out of your mind. The corruption that will follow this will make the 1980s of college football look crystal clean. How about the Power Conferences and Universities start by cleaning up their drug/underage drinking problem, the rape problems, the domestic violence problems, the academic problems before they worry about forming a new division, these problems are rampant across college athletics and needs a ton of reform.

So you'd rather have the current level of corruption rather than bringing it into the sunlight?

Anyways- how about we discuss this article rather than inferring hypotheticals that are not included in said article, mkay?
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The article states that a Division IV would still be under the NCAA umbrella
Exactly, if they weren't proposing staying in the NCAA they wouldn't call it the 4th division. Just talking about adding another division that will have different rules, just like the three existing divisions have different rules ie, no schollies in DIII.
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Stuff like this and the whole "paying players" (not under the table) mess is whats going to be the demise of college athletics' popularity. No one forces these kids to go to college and play a sport. They do so willingly and in return, they get a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION, FREE gear, FREE food, ect. If that's not good enough, then they can just go train for a few years and then apply for the NFL draft. And for the record, not allowing kids the chance to go pro out of high school, is absurd. College baseball does it right.
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Stuff like this and the whole "paying players" (not under the table) mess is whats going to be the demise of college athletics' popularity. No one forces these kids to go to college and play a sport. They do so willingly and in return, they get a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION, FREE gear, FREE food, ect. If that's not good enough, then they can just go train for a few years and then apply for the NFL draft. And for the record, not allowing kids the chance to go pro out of high school, is absurd. College baseball does it right.
I think the big difference is that there is an established minor league system for baseball players to go into if they choose to not attend college. If it were not for that I think the majority of kids would go to college and play since they are not ready to play in the big leagues. There are very few football players that could make the jump directly from high school to the NFL. Maybe Jadeveon and couple others over the years, but for 99.99% they just couldn't do it and without a minor league system in place they would still have no choice, but to play in college.
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Stuff like this and the whole "paying players" (not under the table) mess is whats going to be the demise of college athletics' popularity. No one forces these kids to go to college and play a sport. They do so willingly and in return, they get a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION, FREE gear, FREE food, ect. If that's not good enough, then they can just go train for a few years and then apply for the NFL draft. And for the record, not allowing kids the chance to go pro out of high school, is absurd. College baseball does it right.
Again this isn't about paying players a salary. It's about proving medical care for players who suffer injuries during their playing days with care latter on with those same injuries. Let's say a guy who has no chance at all at the pros breaks his leg in his last game and has all kinds of medical bills to deal with. The schools don't want to leave him hanging. The main thing driving this is long term injuries such as those from concussions and the like.

No one wants the school to pay the players a salary. I would however like for the players to be able to profit off of their likeness. I don't think it's right for the our school to have sold thousands of Clowney jerseys, but he wasn't able to go out and make some cash on his own in a car commercials or hell even sell his autograph for $10 so he could catch a movie. There are simple, smart ways that college athletes can earn some cash based on their popularity without the ADs (and let's be real it'd be us the fans paying for it) having to chip in. But that'd make sense and take a little bit of intelligence and know-how. The NCAA ain't got time for that.
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I think the big difference is that there is an established minor league system for baseball players to go into if they choose to not attend college. If it were not for that I think the majority of kids would go to college and play since they are not ready to play in the big leagues. There are very few football players that could make the jump directly from high school to the NFL. Maybe Jadeveon and couple others over the years, but for 99.99% they just couldn't do it and without a minor league system in place they would still have no choice, but to play in college.
So the NCAA should be considered the villain because the NFL doesn't have farm teams? There is no age limit in the CFL or the Arena League they don't want to go that route because they won't make millions, this sense of entitlement is rampant in this generation, there is no paying your dues you are entitled to make millions well guess what the real world doesn't operate like that.
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Again this isn't about paying players a salary. It's about proving medical care for players who suffer injuries during their playing days with care latter on with those same injuries. Let's say a guy who has no chance at all at the pros breaks his leg in his last game and has all kinds of medical bills to deal with. The schools don't want to leave him hanging. The main thing driving this is long term injuries such as those from concussions and the like.

No one wants the school to pay the players a salary. I would however like for the players to be able to profit off of their likeness. I don't think it's right for the our school to have sold thousands of Clowney jerseys, but he wasn't able to go out and make some cash on his own in a car commercials or hell even sell his autograph for $10 so he could catch a movie. There are simple, smart ways that college athletes can earn some cash based on their popularity without the ADs (and let's be real it'd be us the fans paying for it) having to chip in. But that'd make sense and take a little bit of intelligence and know-how. The NCAA ain't got time for that.
You have to carry insurance to play college sports and if you get hurt well it sucks. Here is a novel idea get a job while in college don't feed me you can't do it and manage to play college sports, its pure laziness if you want truth be told if you want something you bust your tail for it, you aren't given anything, you EARN it.
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You have to carry insurance to play college sports and if you get hurt well it sucks. Here is a novel idea get a job while in college don't feed me you can't do it and manage to play college sports, its pure laziness if you want truth be told if you want something you bust your tail for it, you aren't given anything, you EARN it.
You are so disconnected from reality its comical
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So the NCAA should be considered the villain because the NFL doesn't have farm teams? There is no age limit in the CFL or the Arena League they don't want to go that route because they won't make millions, this sense of entitlement is rampant in this generation, there is no paying your dues you are entitled to make millions well guess what the real world doesn't operate like that.

WTF are you even ranting about? A guy's image and likeness are used by an organization and he get's nothing beyond what the next guy gets? Guess what? The real world doesn't operate like that.


I am against players being paid, but am for their full cost of attendence being covered and medical / health insurance being provided.
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I'm sorry I didn't know I was the only one of this generation who was raised properly, I was raise on the premise that you earn everything through hard work. But then again it is wrong to expect others to live by a blue collar work ethic. Everything I accomplished in life I did on my own from earning my associate and bachelors degrees, my track accomplishments in college while working one job and serving in the Air Force Reserve, to putting on Staff Sergeant in the Air Force Reserve before I turned 23, all this done without given a damn thing, I earned it all on my own.
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WTF are you even ranting about? A guy's image and likeness are used by an organization and he get's nothing beyond what the next guy gets? Guess what? The real world doesn't operate like that.


I am against players being paid, but am for their full cost of attendence being covered and medical / health insurance being provided.
They sign that right away so what's your point, no one forced them to sign that right away.
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I'm sorry I didn't know I was the only one of this generation who was raised properly, I was raise on the premise that you earn everything through hard work. But then again it is wrong to expect others to live by a blue collar work ethic. Everything I accomplished in life I did on my own from earning my associate and bachelors degrees, my track accomplishments in college while working one job and serving in the Air Force Reserve, to putting on Staff Sergeant in the Air Force Reserve before I turned 23, all this done without given a damn thing, I earned it all on my own.

I think most on this board would agree- if how you present yourself here is any indication of how you were raised, and I can only assume it is, then you most definitely we're not "raised the right way"
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Money people. That is all. Money drives this sport, and if the creation of the SEC Network is any indication, it will only get worse. I think what Slive and heads of the other 4 big conferences want is a little room. You don't make that much money for everything to do with that sport without holding some kind of position of power.
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Default Re: Slive Threatens with Forming Division IV

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Originally Posted by Spurrier_Superior_One View Post
^Honestly I really don't give a hoot about how you or any one feels about me. I excel at everything I do so don't need to justify myself to anyone.

Excluding positions taken here, of course.

Glad you are satisfied with where you are. A man has to know his limitations.
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