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Old 05-31-2014, 10:17 PM   #41
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....then they can just go train for a few years and then apply for the NFL draft. And for the record, not allowing kids the chance to go pro out of high school, is absurd.
Really pops? How many of these would have a remote chance of making an NFL 53 man roster out of HS?
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I am for full scholarships, even though it is misleading argument about guys not having their entire cost of school paid for. Guys can get pella grants and other stuff that they don't have to payback for making up the extra 1-2k but that still doesn't mean they should have to.

I do think the NCAA/pro sports need to establish the baseball rule in their sports. You should be allowed to go pro at 18 and if you go to college than you are unable to be drafted for another 3 years, no matter what. It solves the BS complain over we aren't letting these kids go make money, while also making the college athletes, basketball most specifically, go to class and actually pass their class.

I think there also needs to be a bigger penalty for graduation rates. If you really care about the future of these athletes, which I honestly do, than you should be making the university working as hard as possible to get the a legitimate degree...not a UNC athlete version
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I think that people forget that the SEC can do pretty much anything the NCAA does except just the tweaks it wants put into place. If the NCAA gives a stipend to student athletes and it not be taxed, why can't the SEC do the same? Even if it is say Triple. The SEC has leverage because they have a demand from fans. They can take that demand and leave, and leave the NCAA with the inferior talent, because the prime talent would go to the conference that gives the highest stipend. SEC is throwing the gloves down.

If the other big conferences say if you don't let us be our own division, we are going to leave and we are going allow teams to have 100 scholarships and give stipends to player that are 4 times what you are going to give them, what does the NCAA do then?
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I think that people forget that the SEC can do pretty much anything the NCAA does except just the tweaks it wants put into place. If the NCAA gives a stipend to student athletes and it not be taxed, why can't the SEC do the same? Even if it is say Triple. The SEC has leverage because they have a demand from fans. They can take that demand and leave, and leave the NCAA with the inferior talent, because the prime talent would go to the conference that gives the highest stipend. SEC is throwing the gloves down.

If the other big conferences say if you don't let us be our own division, we are going to leave and we are going allow teams to have 100 scholarships and give stipends to player that are 4 times what you are going to give them, what does the NCAA do then?

That's what's going on. Thats what the conferences are saying. Delaney said something close to what Slive said a few days ago, so the conference commish's are coordinating this. It comes down to more automomy for those that have more, or make a new division, or pull out of the NCAA.
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That's what's going on. Thats what the conferences are saying. Delaney said something close to what Slive said a few days ago, so the conference commish's are coordinating this. It comes down to more automomy for those that have more, or make a new division, or pull out of the NCAA.
Of course, because the big conferences realize that they have leverage, because they are the ones pulling in that insane money that people are complaining to the NCAA about. The players want more money, well if they didn't have to share with the all the South Dakota States, Eastern Washingtons, and Bethune Cookmans of the world, they could afford to pay for all of their teams many times more. Even their Equestrian, and Lacross, and Sotftball teams... all of them. and it could be all Title IV, compliant. So basically, if these conferences are going to start bullying the NCAA there isn't much to stop them from making the rules. Otherwise, the NCAA just doesn't even get a cut.
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When it comes to "Taking Care" of student-athletes, I'd like to know what that means...Paying them a salary, or taking care of their personal and familial needs, and bring family in to see their kid play? If it means meeting legitimate needs, I have no problem with it.


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When it comes to "Taking Care" of student-athletes, I'd like to know what that means...Paying them a salary, or taking care of their personal and familial needs, and bring family in to see their kid play? If it means meeting legitimate needs, I have no problem with it.


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You know it's just code for paying athletes.
Which is exactly what a scholly is in the first place....it was and always be quid pro quo.

The majority of the highly valued recruits would never go to college if it wasn't for the scholly incentive. If they were all recruited as walk-ons, very few would come.

People need to quit being in denial...a scholly was always some kind of veiled benefit, but times are changing such that it may not be enough.

The NCAA, SEC, and college athletics need to come up with a fair and equitable way to try and keep these "student-athletes" in school so they finish their degrees. That was supposed to be the original intent when they started college...not do my "3" and declare.
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College athletes: the only adults in the US who cannot profit off their own likeness.

"Waaaa, waaaa, they agreed to it! Waaaaa, waaaaa!"

I don't know why some of you hate the free market so much.
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^Yeah a $40,000 a year free ride education isn't enough or in the case of Northwestern $63,000 a year tuition. But most the half literate babies can't comprehend they are getting a world class education that their intelligence level doesn't deserve. They are getting a chance to get out of these bad neighborhoods with an education if they can't respect or understand that they just should passed over for someone who actually wants to better themselves.
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^Yeah a $40,000 a year free ride education isn't enough or in the case of Northwestern $63,000 a year tuition. But most the half literate babies can't comprehend they are getting a world class education that their intelligence level doesn't deserve. They are getting a chance to get out of these bad neighborhoods with an education if they can't respect or understand that they just should passed over for someone who actually wants to better themselves.
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^Yeah a $40,000 a year free ride education isn't enough or in the case of Northwestern $63,000 a year tuition. But most the half literate babies can't comprehend they are getting a world class education that their intelligence level doesn't deserve. They are getting a chance to get out of these bad neighborhoods with an education if they can't respect or understand that they just should passed over for someone who actually wants to better themselves.

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Unbelievable.
It's the truth regardless if you believe it or not. But when you hear the worship of college players this naivety doesn't shock me.
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The truth is that changes are coming and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it. That is the truth.


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I am okay as long as schools don't ask for some independence.
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^Yeah a $40,000 a year free ride education isn't enough or in the case of Northwestern $63,000 a year tuition. But most the half literate babies can't comprehend they are getting a world class education that their intelligence level doesn't deserve. They are getting a chance to get out of these bad neighborhoods with an education if they can't respect or understand that they just should passed over for someone who actually wants to better themselves.

"You should be happy with what you get. Never mind the millions we make off your back...take yours, shut up, and be happy!"

Again- every other student at the universities can profit off their own likeness, except athletes.

Those majoring in music can go play cello at a wedding.

Those majoring at HRTM can go be an event planner.

Athletes? Shut up, and be happy with what you get! You're no different than every other student! Except that whole freedom to profit off your likeness, but everything else...you're a student first!

What a load of hypocritical bullshit.
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It's the truth regardless if you believe it or not. But when you hear the worship of college players this naivety doesn't shock me.

Worship?

So expecting student athletes to be given the same right as every other adult in this country amounts to "worship?"

You, sir, are an idiot.
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Those majoring in music can go play cello at a wedding.
Oh no...and they can still be on a music scholly paid for by the USC? And make money playing professionally on the side?
Or the post grad student getting paid to get their PHD while fully able to have outside employment. And on graduation day, they not only have several sources of employment waiting for them, but no student loans.

What a travesty....


I totally agree with your comments....there is a lot of hypocrisy floating around the whole "amateur student athlete"...who may just find a likeness of themselves in some computer game while still being "broke".
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Please explain to me how USC costs $40,000 a year. This link quotes the tuition costs. http://colleges.findthebest.com/q/39...na-Columbia-SC

How much is tuition at University of South Carolina - Columbia (SC)?

Tuition at University of South Carolina - Columbia (SC):
  • $10,088 for in-state students, which is $912 less expensive than the average for all Colleges and Universities.
  • $27,244 for out-of-state students, which is $13,876 more expensive than the average for all Colleges and Universities.


Even adding room and board, you're not going to get to $40,000 per year at USC (unless you're out of state). My daughter graduated from there with an academic scholarship, so I have actually dealt with the room and board costs. Unlike student athletes, she was allowed to get a job, even though she was on a full scholarship.

Note that in-state student athletes get far less than out of state student athletes. Were Marcus Lattimore and Jadeveon Clowney worth less than Tyler Hull?
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