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Old 05-31-2014, 10:40 PM   #6761
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I'll hold my tongue bc everyone knows how I feel about Sands but this is definitely disappointing.
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I'll hold my tongue bc everyone knows how I feel about Sands but this is definitely disappointing.
since you brought it up, Tyson Williams said Sands talks like he thinks he's Nick Saban.....very cocky.
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:41 PM   #6763
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It's concerning since last month we had a substantial lead, then dropped to 5. Sands has deep ties to the state, and this could develop into a major issue.
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:44 PM   #6764
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yikes, cold streak on RB recruiting since... well... no comment.
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:22 AM   #6765
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since you brought it up, Tyson Williams said Sands talks like he thinks he's Nick Saban.....very cocky.
Actually, if we're just going by the thread started on GCC (by a member we can't identify, as opposed to Chris Clark), his "source" described Sands as "cocky when he visits and acts like he's Nick Saban." The source is later identified as a coach from Crestwood. None of this is purported to be from Williams himself. Some other posters over there claim his coach is a Clemson alum, but I can't say whether that is true or just paranoid speculation. After the Poona story, anything is possible. But, Chris Clark chimes in to say that his source has us tied for first with ND and Wisconsin. I don't know what is true, but the portrayal of that GCC thread has been rather incomplete over here, so I wanted to fill in some blanks.

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Actually, if we're just going by the thread started on GCC (by a member we can't identify, as opposed to Chris Clark), his "source" described Sands as "cocky when he visits and acts like he's Nick Saban." The source is later identified as a coach from Crestwood. None of this is purported to be from Williams himself. Some other posters over there claim his coach is a Clemson alum, but I can't say whether that is true or just paranoid speculation. After the Poona story, anything is possible. But, Chris Clark chimes in to say that his source has us tied for first with ND and Wisconsin. I don't know what is true, but the portrayal of that GCC thread has been rather incomplete over here, so I wanted to fill in some blanks.

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TW told 247Sports today that his top 4 in order were Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Carolina and Clemson.

I don't personally know the poster you referred to in your post.....but apparently most of the people over there seem to consider him very reliable. It does seem odd that 2 weeks ago we led according to the insiders, and we're now #3 or #4.
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Everette Sands. No personality. Has a cockiness that rubs recruits, high school coaches and parents the wrong way. I don't mind coaches being straightforward with a recruit, but let's not be so blunt and dismissive.

It's okay to tell RB recruits you have a priority back (Derrell Scott), but at least do it with diplomacy. Had to be a reason Elijah Hood scratched USC off the list a couple hours after working out at the showcase. I think it was more than SOS not being here when Nick Chubb visited twice for him to have a bad taste concerning USC. I don't think recruits will come right out and say they don't like a particular coach, but I never heard any RBs say anything complimentary about him, either.

And what was the reason Derrell Scott decided not to come to USC? I think we all know the answer.
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I'll hold my tongue bc everyone knows how I feel about Sands but this is definitely disappointing.
It goes without saying, C2. He's just not getting the job done with IN-STATE players.
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Austin would be a hell of a get for our o line.
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Everette Sands. No personality. Has a cockiness that rubs recruits, high school coaches and parents the wrong way. I don't mind coaches being straightforward with a recruit, but let's not be so blunt and dismissive.

It's okay to tell RB recruits you have a priority back (Derrell Scott), but at least do it with diplomacy. Had to be a reason Elijah Hood scratched USC off the list a couple hours after working out at the showcase. I think it was more than SOS not being here when Nick Chubb visited twice for him to have a bad taste concerning USC. I don't think recruits will come right out and say they don't like a particular coach, but I never heard any RBs say anything complimentary about him, either.

And what was the reason Derrell Scott decided not to come to USC? I think we all know the answer.
If you ask many people on here we didn't need Derrell Scott and he wasn't that big of a loss. Wonder what those people think now...?
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If you ask many people on here we didn't need Derrell Scott and he wasn't that big of a loss. Wonder what those people think now...?
And I agree. At best, I think DS would of been a utility back.

But, the emphasis we placed on him was paramount. He was our #1 back on the board, coaching staff made it clear he was priority one. Sands made this crystal clear to all backs that visited USC. I honestly think we could of landed a major back from the 2014 class.

Regardless how we felt about DS, Sands failed to land his #1 back.
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If true, then this is troubling.
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Old 06-01-2014, 10:59 AM   #6773
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So sands is a brutal honesty guy. I think the guy is a good coach but he apparently thinks he can coach up anyone. Williams/scarlett/whoever.
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And I agree. At best, I think DS would of been a utility back.

But, the emphasis we placed on him was paramount. He was our #1 back on the board, coaching staff made it clear he was priority one. Sands made this crystal clear to all backs that visited USC. I honestly think we could of landed a major back from the 2014 class.

Regardless how we felt about DS, Sands failed to land his #1 back.
Which is a problem. Whether DS was a true RB or just a utility back, he would have helped with depth in 2015. As it turns out, we miss out on him after having a HUGE lead and now Williams (among other RBs this class) appears to be questionable at best. What's worse is Williams is an in-state guy, and a month ago we had a rather sizeable lead.

I just don't understand how this continues to happen. If we miss out on Williams and our other top RB targets this cycle, I can't wait to hear what the apologists have to say about that.
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Ugh not good news to hear about. Losing Jay Graham hurt a few years ago. I think all of our coaches are pretty good except for Sands and Robinson.
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Ugh not good news to hear about. Losing Jay Graham hurt a few years ago. I think all of our coaches are pretty good except for Sands and Robinson.
I think Sands is good from a coaching standpoint, but to say his recruiting leaves a lot to be desired would be a compliment.
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Which is a problem. Whether DS was a true RB or just a utility back, he would have helped with depth in 2015. As it turns out, we miss out on him after having a HUGE lead and now Williams (among other RBs this class) appears to be questionable at best. What's worse is Williams is an in-state guy, and a month ago we had a rather sizeable lead.

I just don't understand how this continues to happen. If we miss out on Williams and our other top RB targets this cycle, I can't wait to hear what the apologists have to say about that.
I was one of the guys that said I didn't think DS was ever going to be a every down back for us. I'm not sure that makes me an apologist. If we don't land a good back in this class, then I'm looking straight at Sands and blaming him. We're getting good players at every position now.....there's no excuse for us not to get a quality RB each year......I'm not talking about a 175 lb scat back.....I'm talking about a back that is big enough and durable enough to get 20 carries every game. If we miss on a RB this year, we better beg Wilds and Carson to stay through 2015 because David Williams won't be able to do it by himself. If we can't run, we become one dimensional and we'll have little chance to beat good teams that way. There's a reason all good teams can run.
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I was one of the guys that said I didn't think DS was ever going to be a every down back for us. I'm not sure that makes me an apologist. If we don't land a good back in this class, then I'm looking straight at Sands and blaming him. We're getting good players at every position now.....there's no excuse for us not to get a quality RB each year......I'm not talking about a 175 lb scat back.....I'm talking about a back that is big enough and durable enough to get 20 carries every game. If we miss on a RB this year, we better beg Wilds and Carson to stay through 2015 because David Williams won't be able to do it by himself. If we can't run, we become one dimensional and we'll have little chance to beat good teams that way. There's a reason all good teams can run.
Every down back or not, he helps with depth in 2015, which as it stands right now could essentially be non-existent. For the record, I'm not talking about a 175 pound back either. I'm talking about a true RB, such as Williams or Scarlett, but as it stands right now we could miss out on both. Not signing a RB for two straight classes is inexcusable and unacceptable.
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I thought one of the primary skills our RB coach was supposed to bring to the staff was his recruiting skills. This is definitely concerning....
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