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Old 06-07-2014, 01:12 PM   #61
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Yeah, because with so many of these guys leaving early and going undrafted we should be encouraging more of them to leave early. Forget personal accountability and all of that nonsense. They know the risks when they declare. If they don't make a team it's on them. If they want to go back to school they can take out a student loan like the rest of us.
I actually agree with you on this. The reason they get scholarships in the first place is for their ability to play sports, so since that would no longer be an option, why should they still get a free ride?

And for those who may want to bring up players who sign with a school and then get injured, thus, ending their athletic career and the school still honors the scholarship, I hope you can see how it's quite different.
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I actually agree with you on this. The reason they get scholarships in the first place is for their ability to play sports, so since that would no longer be an option, why should they still get a free ride?
As do I. There should be no incentives provided to come back if you leave early.

This is a critical decision for any of these guys and I think Steve Spurrier has the best track: unless you are a guaranteed 1st or 2nd rd guy, stay.
There may be exceptions, especially at RB where injuries may be a higher risk, etc.

The problem I have is few seem to see the bigger picture in this....there are many other guys competing for the same roster spots, including the vets. Those draft projections are highly unreliable and I wonder if these guys leaving early don't see how steep the climb is?
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Sounds good guys. Keep it the same. That's working just peachy for the NCAA and the players, which is why there are absolutely no lawsuits or problems at the present time.
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What would happen if the NFL increased its rosters by 10-15 players?

I ask this because I think it would benefit the on-the-border kids trying to make a roster.

It would also provide more bodies for NFL teams and allow teams to rotate players in and out of game - point being that more guys in means less wear and tear on individuals (theoretically).
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What would happen if the NFL increased its rosters by 10-15 players?

I ask this because I think it would benefit the on-the-border kids trying to make a roster.

It would also provide more bodies for NFL teams and allow teams to rotate players in and out of game - point being that more guys in means less wear and tear on individuals (theoretically).
If the League is serious about adding regular season games, it would make sense for them to do this. Unfortunately, if they remain at 16 regular season games, I have little faith in them adding players to rosters.


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Sounds good guys. Keep it the same. That's working just peachy for the NCAA and the players, which is why there are absolutely no lawsuits or problems at the present time.
To my knowledge the current law suits have nothing to do with the issue at hand, so that is completely irrelevant. If you want to talk about working out a system like baseball where kids can declare and see what happens, then turn the NFL down and come back to school and play out their eligibility I think that would be interesting to think about. You shouldn't get a free ride to play football unless you are playing football (aside from situations involving injuries and whatnot).
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What would happen if the NFL increased its rosters by 10-15 players?
Well they have the practice squad players...which can be viewed as a developmental squad or "B" team.
I like your idea but maybe there are issues with bennies, retirement, etc?

They are basically beating up a handful of highly paid players and hoping they can make the playoffs with enough healthy players to win something.
Look at all the money they are paying Jadeveon...what if he gets knocked out for 5-6 games?

Perhaps they can create a "reserve" squad similar to a practice squad....with of course minimal pay, etc.
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Sounds good guys. Keep it the same. That's working just peachy for the NCAA and the players, which is why there are absolutely no lawsuits or problems at the present time.
We live in a time where you can sue someone over anything. The only one with any legitimacy is with EA who made a decision to actually plug in names in background programming. The only thing gained by that was killing the video game market so the main people impacted are the fans.
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We live in a time where you can sue someone over anything. The only one with any legitimacy is with EA who made a decision to actually plug in names in background programming. The only thing gained by that was killing the video game market so the main people impacted are the fans.

The judges that are letting lawsuits proceed to trial disagree with you on legitimacy, along with the sudden interest of the larger schools wanting to make changes to 'benefit' the student athletes.

If they were not legitimate, they would have been dismissed.
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The judges that are letting lawsuits proceed to trial disagree with you on legitimacy, along with the sudden interest of the larger schools wanting to make changes to 'benefit' the student athletes.

If they were not legitimate, they would have been dismissed.
The US Supreme Court has proven time and time again that a judges ruling does not make something legitimate. Of course they've also proven that even they make decisions opposite of the constitution and established law so it's all BS in the end.

The change in "benefit" is nothing more than an attempt to gain an even larger competitive advantage. An SEC team can afford more than a Boise State so they can move them out of the way and create less sharing options from TV revenue.
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The US Supreme Court has proven time and time again that a judges ruling does not make something legitimate. Of course they've also proven that even they make decisions opposite of the constitution and established law so it's all BS in the end.

The change in "benefit" is nothing more than an attempt to gain an even larger competitive advantage. An SEC team can afford more than a Boise State so they can move them out of the way and create less sharing options from TV revenue.

I dsagree (respectfully). I believe the timing of it indicates an attempt to mitigate the outcomes that they see coming as the conferences are named in several suits. Hard for me to believe that schools in the PAC, BIG, SEC and BIG are worried about competing against Boise, Miami of Ohio, etc for recruits. Acc..maybe.

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These 5 conferences are being named in the lawsuits.
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I dsagree (respectfully). I believe the timing of it indicates an attempt to mitigate the outcomes that they see coming as the conferences are named in several suits. Hard for me to believe that schools in the PAC, BIG, SEC and BIG are worried about competing against Boise, Miami of Ohio, etc for recruits. Acc..maybe.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...yers-set-begin



These 5 conferences are being named in the lawsuits.
I believe you're changing the scope of the issue. For me, I don't have a problem with letting the guys come back to school, but I do have a problem with "rewarding" them for leaving early by letting them continue to get a free education even though the reason they were given a scholarship in the first place is gone. Now if the stupid NCAA would get out of the way and allow the guys to come back and still play, that would be different, because then the school would still get the benefit of that person's athletic ability, which is the reason they had the scholarship originally. In other words, I lay all of this blame at the feet of the NCAA.

I guess I sort of think of it as awarding a student a full academic scholarship, that student making the choice to ditch class, not do assignments, and generally slack off, then that student flunks out, comes back to school, yet still gets the benefit of the academic scholarship even though he made a choice that directly affected his scholarship standing. Also, it's similar to a student being awarded a scholarship for being in a certain field of study (like biology) and then that student changes his major to something completely different such as political science. That person shouldn't continue to receive that biology scholarship if he is no longer in biology, so why should a football player continue to get a football scholarship of he can no longer play football?
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I believe you're changing the scope of the issue. For me, I don't have a problem with letting the guys come back to school, but I do have a problem with "rewarding" them for leaving early by letting them continue to get a free education even though the reason they were given a scholarship in the first place is gone. Now if the stupid NCAA would get out of the way and allow the guys to come back and still play, that would be different, because then the school would still get the benefit of that person's athletic ability, which is the reason they had the scholarship originally. In other words, I lay all of this blame at the feet of the NCAA.

I guess I sort of think of it as awarding a student a full academic scholarship, that student making the choice to ditch class, not do assignments, and generally slack off, then that student flunks out, comes back to school, yet still gets the benefit of the academic scholarship even though he made a choice that directly affected his scholarship standing. Also, it's similar to a student being awarded a scholarship for being in a certain field of study (like biology) and then that student changes his major to something completely different such as political science. That person shouldn't continue to receive that biology scholarship if he is no longer in biology, so why should a football player continue to get a football scholarship of he can no longer play football?
I don't see it as a reward, though I do see your point. I see it as a.."welp, you F'd up royally there...you can't play football, your scholarship is gone, you can go to school..good luck paying for it..see ya." More of a hardship and trying to avoid a story of a guy that used to play in front of tens of thousands, now is flipping burgers or is in jail. I would think of a reward as giving him his spot back on the team, which I am against. Could call it the YFU scholly. You F'd Up.


Maybe....as possible compromise might be that he has to have a certain GPA to come back on hardship scholly. Odds are that few would make it then. lol.
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I dsagree (respectfully). I believe the timing of it indicates an attempt to mitigate the outcomes that they see coming as the conferences are named in several suits. Hard for me to believe that schools in the PAC, BIG, SEC and BIG are worried about competing against Boise, Miami of Ohio, etc for recruits. Acc..maybe.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...yers-set-begin



These 5 conferences are being named in the lawsuits.
Again we live in a society where people have sued McDonald's over hot coffee and the fat content of their food. It's also not shocking that guys who didn't take advantage of the opportunities presented to them that they'd take a shot in the dark and there are no shortages of lawyers who'll throw something against the wall to see if it sticks.

It's not about competing with Boise as much as it is not sharing. If the power 5 split they no longer have to share TV or Bowl money or run the risk of losing a "playoff" spot to someone who isn't in the club.
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We live in a time where you can sue someone over anything.
Providing you can find a lawyer that will take the case and a court that will hear it. Lots of potential and dumazz lawsuits never get beyond a lawyer's office because they shouldn't.
But I get your point.
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What TV or bowl money does the SEC share outside of the conference now?
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I don't understand why they can't just take out a loan to finish their education and still play football like a 'walk-on' without a football scholly. I have no idea, but I would wonder how many probably burnt the GPA bridge in their last year and wouldn't be able to do this anyways...

I think Vic would have benefitted greatly would this be true.
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Is another victim of bad advice and should have stayed for his senior season....
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Is another victim of bad advice and should have stayed for his senior season....
I haven't read the complete thread, but it seems to me that Vic had the talent. Going undrafted was about the man, not the skills. That has got to hurt.
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I haven't read the complete thread, but it seems to me that Vic had the talent. Going undrafted was about the man, not the skills. That has got to hurt.
Has to be something about talent, he just got cut from a free agent chance.
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