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Old 05-18-2014, 11:31 PM   #81
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Default Re: 2015 Warm/Warmer/Favorite Thread - as of 5.13.14

These services don't put a lot of stock in intangibles into their ratings system and our staff has been putting a high value the intangibles recently and that is a big reason for our success I believe. We need our players to have the right make-up and personality. It's not that guys getting the 4 stars and 5 stars don't have the talent to justify their ranking. It's that a lot of guys get overlooked that have just as good or better because these non-football player "experts" don't see potential the same way. They don't see the little things that make the coaches smile, they only see obvious talent in the right now.

Our coaches are molders of football players. They want clay to work with and don't necessarily want finished to near finished products that already have their own idea how to play. We go for a lot of raw talent. Take a lot of tweeners,a lot JUCOs and a lot of "ATHs". A lot of QBs and players playing positions in high school that may not be the best for them and show them how to play a different position from scratch with top-notch coaching. We take more of these guys than just about any team I can think of. Because we're good at utilizing those type of players.

Recruiting services don't reward these kind of athletes with high ratings often. They hesitate rate them high because they don't excel in the position they are actually playing in HS.

And finally, I think that because our coaches search for talent is so focused and thorough for their specific recruiting area, they do a better job of not passing over the hidden talent. And also, their job is on the line when they make their evaluations. If the players they offer turn out to be busts too often, it makes it harder for them to win and they will be out of a job.

All these are reasons why the coaches should be trusted more than recruiting services.
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I have read over the last year or so that the insiders say the coaches pay absolutely no attention to the stars.


I've had them tell me that face to face. To say that they don't put much stock in rating services would be an understatement.

Years ago I read an artical detailing the decline of either Miami or FSU (don't recall which, probably Miami but it doesn't matter). Members of the coaching staff actually admitted that they started relying on recruiting services much too heavily. They also admitted it bit them in the azz,
Yeah I have read that a couple times in reference to former Miami HC Randy Shannon and his staff....
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Miami it was. Below is a link to one such article

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ng-analyst-tom

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While counterparts were scouring the country for the next All-American, the Hurricanes' coaches likely were parked in front of a computer with a pad and pen. They surfed Internet recruiting sites in search of talent, almost forgetting their own evaluation in the process


ESPN recruiting analyst Tom Luginbill said the Hurricanes often were caught in the hype machine that occurs in the world of online recruiting. Many Web sites claim to rank the best players, but Luginbill said the moment coaches start paying attention to the "star system" is when "a program starts walking off a cliff."

"In my opinion, you've got to stay true to your own evaluation, your own blueprint," Luginbill said. "Don't worry about what everybody else is saying, but that's a very difficult thing to do. . . . What happens is there is so much information out there about guys. Most of it can be untrue. A lot of it is perpetuated by people who are claiming to be recruiting analysts, but don't know if a football is pumped or stuffed."

UM learned the hard way.

Recruiting misfires factored into the Hurricanes going from playing for consecutive national titles after the 2001-02 seasons to a 19-19 record the past three seasons. Much of it occurred under Coach Larry Coker, who was fired after the 2006 season. The Hurricanes landed several highly rated recruiting classes under Coker, but even outsiders noticed they were focusing solely on recruiting sites.


"I used to go in the coaches' offices, and sometimes they would literally have Rivals.com up on their screen," said Matt Shodell, who covers UM and its recruiting for CaneSport.com. "I won't name the coaches, but they would be writing names down on pieces of paper. I don't know how much film they were looking at."

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^^ Lol @ Miami.
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Outstanding find.

Great job by Conway and all.

Should be required reading for every person who posts here.

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Default Re: 2015 Warm/Warmer/Favorite Thread - as of 5.13.14

Removed Jozie Milton & Jalen Christian.

Moved Arden Key to Warmer

Added Jeremy McDuffie to Warm

Added Mirko Jurkovic to Warm

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Irvin Charles is now showing up as "warm." So is Emanuel McGirt.
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Added Irvin Charles to Warm.
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McGirt made some positive comments about us today.
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Removed Arden Key.

Removed Bryce Love.

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Why remove Bryce Love? What did I miss?
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Why remove Bryce Love? What did I miss?
He wants to be a regular RB....we recruited him as an athlete. He's not coming to Columbia.
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Thought USC wanted him as a RB? what happened?
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Thought USC wanted him as a RB? what happened?
They wanted him to be a utility player. Lineup all over the field but he thinks he is a running back. Also, a lot of USC's attention had been spent on Ty'Son Williams recently and UNC has put a big emphasis (and had success) on shutting down its borders this year.

He has been removed from the list because 247 moved USC from Warm to Cool.
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Man I know we need two good rbs. They keep dropping. I'd feel better if at least 1 went ahead and committed
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Added Austin Clark to Warmer.

Removed Clelin Ferrell.

Removed Jeremy McDuffie.

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They wanted him to be a utility player. Lineup all over the field but he thinks he is a running back. Also, a lot of USC's attention had been spent on Ty'Son Williams recently and UNC has put a big emphasis (and had success) on shutting down its borders this year.

He has been removed from the list because 247 moved USC from Warm to Cool.
Curious as to why you say unc has shut down their borders.

Right now unc has 4 commitments from the State of NC. We all know what went down with Veal & the Love situation will likely play out in a like manner.
Other than Veal unc has (3) 3* commitments none of whom USC even offered.

USC has 4* Fields, 4* Palmer & 3* Bowman. Bowman & Fields were offered by unc.

Clemson has (3) 3* commitments from NC, two of whom were offered by unc.

I realize that's it's still very early & they stand a very good chance of landing guys like McGirt, etc. They will certainly sign more players from NC, no question about that. But they are not thought to be a serious threat for Roseboro at this point. Bottom line is I don't think they're close to closing down their borders to outsiders, especially players who have multiple offers to big time programs. Just don't see it. Right now they're ranked 21st in a large State with lots of players.

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Curious as to why you say unc has shut down their borders.

Right now unc has 4 commitments from the State of NC. We all know what went down with Veal & the Love situation will likely play out in a like manner.
Other than Veal unc has (3) 3* commitments none of whom USC even offered.

USC has 4* Fields, 4* Palmer & 3* Bowman. Bowman & Fields were offered by unc.

Clemson has (3) 3* commitments from NC, two of whom were offered by unc.

I realize that's it's still very early & they stand a very good chance of landing guys like McGirt, etc. They will certainly sign more players from NC, no question about that. But they are not thought to be a serious threat for Roseboro at this point. Bottom line is I don't think they're close to closing down their borders to outsiders, especially players who have multiple offers to big time programs. Just don't see it. Right now they're ranked 21st in a large State with lots of players.
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He didn't say they were COMPLETELY successful, just that it's a big emphasis and they've apparently benefitted from it this year
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He didn't say they were successful, just that it's a big emphasis this year.

UNC has put a big emphasis (and had success) on shutting down its borders this year

imo USC has out recruited unc to this point in NC. Go to the unc commitment list & tell me what 3 tarhole recruits from NC you would trade for Palmer, Fields, & Bowman.
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He didn't say they were successful, just that it's a big emphasis this year.

UNC has put a big emphasis (and had success) on shutting down its borders this year

imo USC has out recruited unc to this point in NC. Go to the unc commitment list & tell me what 3 tarhole recruits from NC you would trade for Palmer, Fields, & Bowman.
C2's main point seems to be (can't speak for him) that they are putting a bigger emphasis on it.

1. Palmer went to high school in NC but is attended a JUCO in Pennsylvania. Not sure if you count him as "leaving the borders" when he has, well, already left the borders.
2. Bowman is from Havelock, where we have had very good success lately. Short of losing their RB last year they have sent us several great players. Thus, he probably has some friends already on this team.
3. Fields, got him from Charlotte which I LOVE.

I have always felt getting NC recruits is key to our success. But every year it seems we get some really good pull with a few players from there to have them shift to UNC later. I think C2 was just saying they are going to try even harder to make that happen.
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