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Old 06-18-2014, 07:33 AM   #641
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I've got 6 DE listed......Whitlow could be moved to LB and nobody knows for sure what will happen with Sawyer and Wideman.
Hopefully (fingers crossed) Wideman and Sawyer are here in 2015. That would be a MAJOR haul for our defense, which already has a chance to be pretty special that year. If they get here (fingers crossed), Sawyer is a DE and I would guess Wideman is a DT. Both would really help with depth and we would be set in that regard for a couple of years.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:06 AM   #642
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Thomas will not be enrolling at USC, at least not in the near future & likely never according to 24/7. Figured something was up with some of the recent activity.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:28 AM   #643
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SMH we wasted time and spots recruiting players like this.. that could have gone towards players who would actually contribute to our team
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SMH we wasted time and spots recruiting players like this.. that could have gone towards players who would actually contribute to our team
Yep. Dumb strategy by the staff. Especially in class with limited schollies. They took shots on way top many academic liabilities.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:58 AM   #645
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Yep. Dumb strategy by the staff. Especially in class with limited schollies. They took shots on way top many academic liabilities.
I don't think it was a bad strategy. Thomas was a JUCO All American. Wideman was a HS All American. What other SDE All Americans did we have an above average shot with last cycle?

The reports we had from Thomas's school last fall were that he was academically on track and had the opportunity to qualify for Summer I enrollment, he bombed the spring semester though.

Wideman has been on the fence since the Fall, but he was an elite national talent. Also, Wideman can still make it in for Fall Camp, that idea hasn't been eliminated yet.

As far as Ritchie goes, we were still deciding whether to play him at TE or DE and he wasn't expected to contribute year 1 anyways.

I don't think our strategy was bad. We went after the best players we had the best chance with. Some of those players dropped the ball on their academics. Our college coaches can't walk those guys to class everyday at their JUCO/HS.
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They knew Ritchie had work to do when he committed.

Might as well throw Darrius Caldwell in the mix too. That one hurt.
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I don't think it was a bad strategy.
You don't? So you'd support us going after three more academic risks at a position of need this year so long as they have talent?

It was an awful strategy. And to be honest, I'm not all that optimistic a/b guys who have a history of not getting it done in the classroom (Sawyer, Wideman) all of a sudden locking it down in prep school.
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:39 PM   #649
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You don't? So you'd support us going after three more academic risks at a position of need this year so long as they have talent?

It was an awful strategy. And to be honest, I'm not all that optimistic a/b guys who have a history of not getting it done in the classroom (Sawyer, Wideman) all of a sudden locking it down in prep school.

Genius, we could only sign 22 and went after the best 22 we could get, if they were not as good or better than Thomas or Wideman then they would offer no help this year! We get 25 LOI's this year and can count back any that do not qualify from last year for EE's for a few very talented guys we have placed and are ready to come in and play! I have enjoyed his back to back 11-2 with 5 in a row strategy!
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They knew Ritchie had work to do when he committed.

Might as well throw Darrius Caldwell in the mix too. That one hurt.
With respect to Caldwell, that was a slightly different situation. Illinois even let him play.
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Genius, we could only sign 22 and went after the best 22 we could get, if they were not as good or better than Thomas or Wideman then they would offer no help this year!
Don't be foolish. We're only getting a/b 18. That leaves 4 spots open. And even if they couldn't have contributed this year, they'd still be in our S&C program and learning our playbook and bonding w/ our team (and perhaps even pushing our 2 deep guys, who may get complacent w/ their de facto roles as contributors).
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CHS, who should we have gone after that we had a realistic shot of instead? Hindsight is 20/20.
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CHS makes good points. I have to agree with him.
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Don't be foolish. We're only getting a/b 18. That leaves 4 spots open. And even if they couldn't have contributed this year, they'd still be in our S&C program and learning our playbook and bonding w/ our team (and perhaps even pushing our 2 deep guys, who may get complacent w/ their de facto roles as contributors).

Genius, the posts says we will use those 4 open spots towards Early Entries for the 2015 class giving us 29 new players for 2015, this also allows us to recruit marginal qualifiers that we can place in JUCO or prep and still bring in 25 players if they do not qualify. If they push our 2 deep guys they are contributing but they would just be practice players if they were not as good or better then the aforementioned defensive players and according to my count we have plenty of depth at DT and DE for a 2 deep and practice players who have been in the system at least a year. We have 7 DE's and 6 DT's who have been in the system for at least a year who will push each other for playing time without adding a single body.
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What point do you agree with?
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Don't be foolish. We're only getting a/b 18. That leaves 4 spots open. And even if they couldn't have contributed this year, they'd still be in our S&C program and learning our playbook and bonding w/ our team (and perhaps even pushing our 2 deep guys, who may get complacent w/ their de facto roles as contributors).
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You don't? So you'd support us going after three more academic risks at a position of need this year so long as they have talent?

It was an awful strategy. And to be honest, I'm not all that optimistic a/b guys who have a history of not getting it done in the classroom (Sawyer, Wideman) all of a sudden locking it down in prep school.
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CHS, who should we have gone after that we had a realistic shot of instead? Hindsight is 20/20.
Hindsight is 20/20 but these academic issues didn't take us entirely by surprise, let's be real.

As for who we should've gone after instead, that's a question for the coaches (I remember us being in the thick of it w/ Andrew Williams, though, for a bit, and there was a lengthy DE from NC that I always wondered why we didn't pursue aggressively). My point is simply that our "strategy" did not produce much, and going forward I think we should be more careful a/b recruiting guys w/ suspect academics (or at least not recruit 3 guys at the same position of need w/ suspect academics). I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the staff probably learned a bit from this, too.

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Genius, the posts says we will use those 4 open spots towards Early Entries for the 2015 class giving us 29 new players for 2015, this also allows us to recruit marginal qualifiers that we can place in JUCO or prep and still bring in 25 players if they do not qualify.
This is an example of our staff working to SAVE our strategy, it was not their original intent to sign 3 DEs who can't qualify. And while what you say may be the intent of our staff going forward, we'll see how it pans out.

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If they push our 2 deep guys they are contributing but they would just be practice players if they were not as good or better then the aforementioned defensive players and according to my count we have plenty of depth at DT and DE for a 2 deep and practice players who have been in the system at least a year. We have 7 DE's and 6 DT's who have been in the system for at least a year who will push each other for playing time without adding a single body.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I'd rather have players in the program now, learning now, working out now, bonding now. And it may be your supposition that some lower ranked guys couldn't have pushed for PT, but the fact is w/o having them in the program we'll never know. And god forbid we get the injury bug at that position. If you want to recruit DEs on a two year cycle then that's fine, but too often we've seen this sort of thing play out where it leads to strange gaps in depth.
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Switching gears or a second, Tyrek Cole is taking an OV here. He's thread is locked so I can't post there.

As you were. Keep making good points, CHS.
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Yeah I think the Thomas situation caught our coaches by surprise. He was on track when we took the commitment. It sucks that this has happened but honestly I don't think it makes much of a difference on this years team (other than the Thomas situation in my opinion as He could be an early contributer from Juco).

Would you prefer to pass on Wideman/Sawyer and take a lesser talent who will qualify but not play this year anyway or take Sawyer/Wideman have them go somewhere else and play and develop and then come back to us next year ready to go?

For me give me the guys with the most talent in Sawyer and Wideman. If it doesn't work out then we have space to take more talent this year. None of the DE's we were in it with would be starting on our line this year anyway (maybe Thomas) they would be depth and likely redshirts. That means that getting Sawyer and Wideman a year later is essentially the same as redshirting
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