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Old 06-24-2014, 02:40 AM   #761
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Aren't we already counting Thomas, Ritchie, Sawyer, and possibly Smalls and Wideman?

No, why would we be counting players (Thomas, Ritchie, Sawyer) who aren't here & that we know won't be here this year? Lord help us if we have to count players attending other schools against our current scholarship limit. Smalls & Wideman are counted because they have signed scholarship papers & have not been ruled ineligible to this point. If they fail to meet the academic standards then we fall below the 82 unless & until we add additional players.

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With our current commit list, it seems we would switch gears and gun for some RBs. Were the coaches possibly filling the boat in order to use a solid class to attract marquee RB talent?
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Maybe... Someone said earlier that the coaches have said they are taking the two first RB to commit. A little motivation for them.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:44 AM   #764
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Currently at 19..I see it playing out like this

-2 more DEs-Lewis and whoever else jumps on board.
-1 corner- Arnette would be a great compliment but likely Jalen Thompson
-Possibly 1 DT- Roseboro will probably grow into one and of course Jones (UT Lean)
-2 more OTs (Bailey & Merrick)
-2 RBs- Turner, who we have a big lead for and I'd still love to have Bradshaw out of the group

That'd be 27 commits. Again, not all will make it in, but it's a numbers game now. Most important right now are the tackles and RBs IMO.
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We only have 3 DBs committed because Johnson is an ATH. They'll take Thompson and Arnette to make the 5 which is the limit (per TBS) .. but it looks like Stoops might be playing the numbers game against us with Arnette.
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We only have 3 DBs committed because Johnson is an ATH. They'll take Thompson and Arnette to make the 5 which is the limit (per TBS) .. but it looks like Stoops might be playing the numbers game against us with Arnette.
If Johnson is on the board as an ATH, hopefully the numbers at DB still work out in our favor in regards to Arnette. He and Thompson would be a nice finish to the DB class.
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Congrats on the rankings bump. SC #4 class on rivals and 5th 247sports. Might get leapfrogged today though. Recruiting is a headache.
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If we land Arnette and Thompson its possible we move up to #2 (according to 247 class calculator).
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I'd like to finish with:

Turner
Shaw or T. Williams or Scarlett
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Congrats on the rankings bump. SC #4 class on rivals and 5th 247sports. Might get leapfrogged today though. Recruiting is a headache.
I think the best we'll finish is top 12, if we get top 10 it will be a great run with a few of our current recruits getting bumped up in ratings. So while we are number 4 now, I really don't think we'll stay near the top 5 when its all said and done.

I much prefer this recruiting cycle of early commits. Once we get a few more folks in positions of need, we're golden.
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If we land Arnette and Thompson its possible we move up to #2 (according to 247 class calculator).
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Currently at 19..I see it playing out like this

-2 more DEs-Lewis and whoever else jumps on board.
IMO.
Aren't you forgetting Sawyer? Isn't he likely to be committing and enrolling in January?
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Correct, also counted in that 82 are two guys who are still up in the air as far as qualifying. I don't believe we'll have more than 3 Jr's declare as it stands today. Right now there are 14 scholly Sr's

Take the 82 - 14 - 3 = 65

Leaves 20 available before you take into account this year's class (still some academic questions), next year's class (academics) Lose 1 or 2 in each of those classes (like Sawyer, Ritchie) & you create a lot more daylight. Add the guys who want to transfer for more playing time & encouraged attrition and there's probably more room there than many people expect. We'll see, but I think closer to 30 than 25.

About the only thing I'm fairly confident in is that most if not all of the remaining holes on the DL will be filled by JUCO's. Just not hearing much chatter about anymore HS players where there is mutual interest for those spots.
That's right. We'll have 20 open spots for sure with another 6-7 spots do to attrition, that is why I am making and educated guess of 26. We are close to filling our needs already, which leaves a us about 5 spots to just recruit whoever.
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Aren't you forgetting Sawyer? Isn't he likely to be committing and enrolling in January?
I don't think he can come in January. He has to be in Juco 3 semesters. He can be here in Summer of next year at the earliest, since he graduated early and spent the spring semester in Juco.
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Aren't you forgetting Sawyer? Isn't he likely to be committing and enrolling in January?
Wasn't counting him, Wideman or potentially Smalls.
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I'd like to finish with:

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We got to get another DT.
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We got to get another DT.
A high school DT is much more of a need than 2 more DB's imo. I just don't believe USC will take 2 more DB's after having 3 committed in this class (not incl Johnson) & signing 5 last year. TM feels the same. Just have other needs.

Another LB, one more DB, Bailey, another true OT, any or all of Lewis, Jones, Durant, & Sawyer. Add 1 or 2 RB's & we're in pretty decent shape on paper. I'm seriously doubting we get a high caliber HS DT this class but there's a long way to go so who knows.
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Correct, also counted in that 82 are two guys who are still up in the air as far as qualifying. I don't believe we'll have more than 3 Jr's declare as it stands today. Right now there are 14 scholly Sr's

Take the 82 - 14 - 3 = 65

Leaves 20 available before you take into account this year's class (still some academic questions), next year's class (academics) Lose 1 or 2 in each of those classes (like Sawyer, Ritchie) & you create a lot more daylight. Add the guys who want to transfer for more playing time & encouraged attrition and there's probably more room there than many people expect. We'll see, but I think closer to 30 than 25.

About the only thing I'm fairly confident in is that most if not all of the remaining holes on the DL will be filled by JUCO's. Just not hearing much chatter about anymore HS players where there is mutual interest for those spots.

This is pretty close. I think we are signing somewhere b/w 29-32.

If found out that the NCAA/SEC haven't closed the December 1st Financial Aid loophole that Tennessee used last year, so we don't really have a limit of Early Enrollees/JUCOs we can count back. I think we'll have somewhere b/w 4-7.

We have 81 guys on scholarship right now. (Thomas didn't qualify so Conway can remove him from the 82 count) Also, Wideman and Smalls are on the fence with making it in.

We do have 14 Sr's and a fistful of Jr's/RS Soph's who might try to leave early. So let's just say 20 spots for next season from that, but we will already have an additional 0-6 scholly's available from not being fulfilled this year (penalty, or non qualifier.) So really anywhere from 20-26 spots for next year, without attrition.

Then b/w academic non-qualifiers this past cycle,the current cycle and with normal attrition of a few guys looking for more playing time elsewhere, I could see us going all they way up to 32 signees this cycle, but reasonably within the 28-32 range. We could have a couple high school EE's, then Durant, Jones, Lewis, and Palmer all get here in January and maybe even sign that Financial Aid document before December 1, just for insurance or to free us up to sign even more officially in February.

So if we had 6 EE's under that scenario, we could still sign 25 LOI's n February.

In summary:
81 scholly's now
79 on the low end if Wideman and Smalls don't qualify.
14 graduates in '15

means 18-20 scholarships available, and then...

4-6 possible early NFL entries

means 22-26 scholarships available, and then....

academic/injury/etc... casualties from this coming cycles, estimate 2-3

means 24-29 scholarships available, and then...

3-4 guys who leave the team looking for more playing time elsewhere

means 27-33 scholarships available, and that's about it. So that's why I think we sign somewhere b/w 28-32 this cycle.
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Wideman is going to grow into a DT.
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