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Old 06-23-2014, 09:51 PM   #61
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I don't consider a coach with four NCs in his last 8 years in CF (two year in the NFL don't count) a victim.
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Default Re: Spurrier's latest victim: Nick Saban....

Bill Curry was winning 9 games a year at Bama. How much did Nick really improve them? He did not put Bama or LSU on the map.
Wonder if Mich State would trade Mark "D" for him?
SOS has 3 of our 4 double digit win seasons. just my 2cents







Well first off Saban came 18 years after Curry left. Curry was only there 3 years & in his final year shared an SEC title with 2 other teams. He never beat Auburn. So comparing that to 3 National Championships I'd say that Saban improved them immensely.

Out on this topic, the record speaks for itself. I don't think I'd like to spend the day fishing with him but he could coach my team anytime.
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Those 3 National Championships probably take most of the sting out of the zing. Saban's the best coach in the country, the total package, the numbers don't lie.
Any half decent coach can win at Alabama. Spurrier is the greatest of all time. Look at what he has done with zero history. He could have won at Alabama just like Saban. I've admired HBC every since he was at Duke. He doesn't get the credit he deserves & I hope he wins us an SEC and national title before he leaves. He could've done that already at Alabama himself but he chooses to challenge himself. Saban takes the easy way out. LSU and Alabama? If you can't win at those two places with all their resources then you suck as a coach.
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Bill Curry was winning 9 games a year at Bama. How much did Nick really improve them? He did not put Bama or LSU on the map.
Wonder if Mich State would trade Mark "D" for him?
SOS has 3 of our 4 double digit win seasons. just my 2cents
HBC builds programs. Saban rides on the coattails of others work. It's easy to win Alabama for crying out loud, if you're worth a darn at your craft. Everything Spurrier has done has his own name on it and no one else. That's why he's the greatest.
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Can't we just agree that the HBC and Saban are both great coaches but we'd rather play golf with SOS?
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Those 3 National Championships probably take most of the sting out of the zing. Saban's the best coach in the country, the total package, the numbers don't lie.
Bama is top 5 in recruiting because it is Bama but Saban definitely has it at #1. I'll take Spurrier all day on game day with the same talent. The numbers? The numbers at Bama are great but his previous are....eh... MSU was mediocre, LSU was good but not the best they've ever had (and it's LSU), and Bama is Bama. Dude is doing allot now with allot. He hasn't built anything.
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Can't we just agree that the HBC and Saban are both great coaches but we'd rather play golf with SOS?
I'd also put him in the "I'd rather have a beer with" category.
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Now hold on. I always hear that coaches dont care about stars in recruiting and to trust the coaches..
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"Maybe it's just one ole guy telling another that life is too short and that he doesn't need to put all that time in if he just trusts his instincts more."

If true, is that really the lesson Coach wants to pass on to his coaches, players and team?
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The moves Saban has made over the last two years have convinced me he's about to burn that place to the ground.
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HBC builds programs. Saban rides on the coattails of others work. It's easy to win Alabama for crying out loud, if you're worth a darn at your craft. Everything Spurrier has done has his own name on it and no one else. That's why he's the greatest.
Interesting comment here.

What did DiNardo build? What did Shula build that Saban rode upon? Both of those head coaches took over programs that were in bad shape and left them in worse shape.

In a sense, you're correct. Alabama does have inherent advantages when it comes to the wins column. Every coach who has been at the helm has had a season where they recorded at least 10 wins.

Here's where there's a line of demarcation. Some schools look at double digit wins and consider that as a measure of success. Not all schools share that definition.

Winning 10 games as the football coach at Alabama? It's not how the program is judged in terms of success. It takes a very unique individual to be successful in Tuscaloosa: a type of coach not easily found.

While Saban and Spurrier share the same occupation trying to draw comparisons between the two and judge which has had more success is a waste of time. There are few similarities. In fact, the only thing they share is both have enjoyed more success in the SEC than 95%, or more, of their peers.

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I'm surprised so few are seeing this for what it is—Spurrier, being Spurrier, in the off-season. Hell, it's not the first time he's made comments almost identical to these. While it wasn't verbatim, when he was coaching Washington his comments about Jim Haslett mirror what he said here.
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Yep, that what I get for relying to much on memory. Was thinking his first year was 08. Doesn't change much of anything because my only point was that Saban has been beating the teams in the best division of the best conference since he's been there. i.e Our record the past 3 yrs is 14-3 against eastern opponents & 4-3 against western opponents. (I think)

As to 6-4 vs 5-5...... OK that's still pretty much equal for 10 yrs but I stand corrected. I was off by 1 game ...... shoot me.
The only reason I knew that is due to the "ebb and flow" of what the SEC has been since the divisional split in terms of conference titles. Well, that's not exactly the whole truth. I find it amusing seeing people reference conference numbers to make a point and knowing their comment doesn't tell the whole story. (See Stoops comments about the bottom of the conference winning against the top teams in the conference. Or, Miles comments about how many times LSU has played Florida and Georgia.)

In the first ten years the East won the conference seven times. In the last ten years the West has won the conference seven times.
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1) I don't see a zing. 2) We didn't look so prepared against UT last year or auburn, what was that, two years ago?
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A truly epic losing streak to Auburn?
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Spurrier has got to learn that some of these programs cheat .. I suspect that half the teams on our schedule steal signals and even spy on us .. Coach is too trusting and needs to keep our plans protected .. Now that Saban hired Kiffen I sure don't trust either Alabama team now
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LOL , They didn't cheat last time we played'm
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Personally I think this is being blown way out of proportion. I believe that all Spurrier meant was that our coaches have been able to compete with the best teams in the country with #15 ranked classes emphasizing stars don't always matter. It was much more of a compliment to his coaching staff than a shot at Saban.
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Saban and Sourrier are both great coaches, but Spurrier is a head and shoulders above Saban as a person. I doubt Spurrier would step over a convulsing player.
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