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Old 06-24-2014, 08:36 PM   #801
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Who are the Early Enrollees?

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Octavis Johnson is a December grad, who else, besides the JUCO's.
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I have read that Alexander is an EE, although I also read he had grade issues, so the reports are all over the place with him....
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From everything I've read, Johnson, Palmer, Clark, and Alexander. If we're only allowed four EE's and all those guys stick, we've obviously reached our limit.
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From everything I've read, Johnson, Palmer, Clark, and Alexander. If we're only allowed four EE's and all those guys stick, we've obviously reached our limit.
Thanks, but can we also do the Tennessee thing where we allow several of them to sign Financial Aid documents before Dec 1, and they fall into that black hole b/w classes?
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Do I misunderstand how this works? I thought there was no problem with a whole class potentially enrolling in the spring if they all graduate early.

The things about counting some back to the previous year is a bookkeeping thing if you didn't fill the previous class, that allows you to offer more scholarships that year and get around the 25 enrollees per year limit.

Not really sure what Tennessee was doing, it really didn't interest me much. If everyone starts doing it, it will either be allowed or they will close the loophole.
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Do I misunderstand how this works? I thought there was no problem with a whole class potentially enrolling in the spring if they all graduate early.

The things about counting some back to the previous year is a bookkeeping thing if you didn't fill the previous class, that allows you to offer more scholarships that year and get around the 25 enrollees per year limit.

Not really sure what Tennessee was doing, it really didn't interest me much. If everyone starts doing it, it will either be allowed or they will close the loophole.
we have to have room for the guys that enroll early......some of the seniors from the previous falls team might not be graduating until spring and would still count on the 85 on scholly for Spring Semester

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Maybe the issue is counting back. I wonder if any who enroll early if over the count-back limit are counted as part of the LOI class.
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Where did you read that? (Not questioning it, just would like to know the source.) What would make that even better is that I read on a Georgia board that while Johnson was a great athlete, they passed on him due to academics.
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Do I misunderstand how this works? I thought there was no problem with a whole class potentially enrolling in the spring if they all graduate early.

The things about counting some back to the previous year is a bookkeeping thing if you didn't fill the previous class, that allows you to offer more scholarships that year and get around the 25 enrollees per year limit.

Not really sure what Tennessee was doing, it really didn't interest me much. If everyone starts doing it, it will either be allowed or they will close the loophole.
Tenn had 33 in their class last year......to get down to 30 or less, either a few didn't qualify and/or they grayshirted a few.
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Maybe the issue is counting back. I wonder if any who enroll early if over the count-back limit are counted as part of the LOI class.
yes....the maximum number of EE for counting back is 5.....you can have the whole class of EE, but only 5 are eligible to count back.
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From everything I've read, Johnson, Palmer, Clark, and Alexander. If we're only allowed four EE's and all those guys stick, we've obviously reached our limit.
if our 2014 class only ends up having 17 that qualify, then we would be eligible to have a maximum of 5 EE that can be counted back.....22 less 17. We can have more than 5 EE, but only 5 can count back......I think we will end up having 7-8 EE.
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Oh man, the 247 recruit calculator is too addictive.
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Do I misunderstand how this works? I thought there was no problem with a whole class potentially enrolling in the spring if they all graduate early.

The things about counting some back to the previous year is a bookkeeping thing if you didn't fill the previous class, that allows you to offer more scholarships that year and get around the 25 enrollees per year limit.

Not really sure what Tennessee was doing, it really didn't interest me much. If everyone starts doing it, it will either be allowed or they will close the loophole.
Tennessee found a loophole in the wording of the recruiting limits for the SEC that limits 25 signees per cycle. The wording defined the cycle from December 1 to May 31st. So what they did is have a bunch of recruits sign Financial Aid agreement before Dec 1 and then enrolled them early. They had 12 guys enroll in January and 34 total commits, but all those EE guys didn't count back, b/c they had close to 80 on scholarship last season.

So They had 5 EE count back to get them to the 85 limit, 7 sign the Financial Aid agreement before Dec 1 to fall into the ether, and then signed 23 on NSD in Feb.

The loophole has not been closed and is still available to anyone. All we have to do is get as many recruits as we want/can get that can enroll early and get them to sign that Financial Aid agreement before Dec 1.
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yes....the maximum number of EE for counting back is 5.....you can have the whole class of EE, but only 5 are eligible to count back.
I think that 5 is a fluid number. If Wideman and Smalls qualify, we'd have 81 guys on scholarship, so that would mean 4 could count back in January (I believe.) However, with the Tenn Loophole we could get all the JUCO and even some of the HS EE's to sign that Financial Aid document and we could have 6-8 EE's no problem and still be within all the limits/dates as they are worded.
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Tennessee found a loophole in the wording of the recruiting limits for the SEC that limits 25 signees per cycle. The wording defined the cycle from December 1 to May 31st. So what they did is have a bunch of recruits sign Financial Aid agreement before Dec 1 and then enrolled them early. They had 12 guys enroll in January and 34 total commits, but all those EE guys didn't count back, b/c they had close to 80 on scholarship last season.

So They had 5 EE count back to get them to the 85 limit, 7 sign the Financial Aid agreement before Dec 1 to fall into the ether, and then signed 23 on NSD in Feb.

The loophole has not been closed and is still available to anyone. All we have to do is get as many recruits as we want/can get that can enroll early and get them to sign that Financial Aid agreement before Dec 1.
having EE counting back has nothing to do with the max cap of 85.....Erick, the Vol on here, said they either grayshirted some and/or had a few that didn't qualify.
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Where did you read that? (Not questioning it, just would like to know the source.) What would make that even better is that I read on a Georgia board that while Johnson was a great athlete, they passed on him due to academics.
Over in Octavis's thread, they said that gogamcocks.com had an article that said Octavis is a December graduate. If he knows he's graduating early, at this point in time it would lead me to believe he has his academics in order. Although, Sawyer graduated/got his GED early so he could go to JUCO. So it might mean this or that, I'm sure it will be clarified soon.
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I think that 5 is a fluid number. If Wideman and Smalls qualify, we'd have 81 guys on scholarship, so that would mean 4 could count back in January (I believe.) However, with the Tenn Loophole we could get all the JUCO and even some of the HS EE's to sign that Financial Aid document and we could have 6-8 EE's no problem and still be within all the limits/dates as they are worded.
if Wideman and Smalls qualify, then Sawyer, Thomas and Ritchie didn't qualify. So the class had 21 originally, lost 3, ended up with 18....since we had a max last year of 22, that leaves 4 that could qualify for EE that could count back on the 2015 class. As of right now we have 81 and are therfore under the hard cap limit.

Jody Fuller hasn't been removed yet to get to 81.

Per GCC

82 - 82 = 0 over the scholarship limit of 82

Note: The scholarship limit is 82 for the 2013 and 2014 seasons.

Note: Walk-ons Connor McLaurin and Sidney Rhodes have been placed on scholarship for the 2013-14 school year.

Note: For purposes of this breakdown, it is assumed that all signees (except JUCO transfers) will redshirt, which is why they are listed under the 'Redshirts' column. Players under the 'Redshirts' column will be moved to the 'Freshmen' column as they play during the 2014 season.


05/20/14 - Removed Kalan Ritchie, did not qualify
05/15/14 - Removed Kelvin Rainey, transferring
04/14/14 - Removed Bryce King, transferring
04/12/14 - Removed Mohamed Camara, transferring
04/12/14 - Removed Kyle Fleetwood, transferring
03/13/14 - Removed Kwinton Smith, transferring
03/03/14 - Removed Ronnie Martin, transferring
03/03/14 - Removed Dante Sawyer, will attend JUCO
02/10/14 - Added Wesley Green, Chris Lammons, Blake McClain, D.J. Smith, Dexter Wideman
01/07/14 - Added current 2014 commitments (Abu Lamin, Bryson Allen-Williams, Joe Blue, K.C. Crosby, Shaq Davidson, Terry Googer, Al Harris Jr., Kalan Ritchie, Tyshun Samuel, Dante Sawyer, Michael Scarnecchia, Darin Smalls, Taylor Stallworth, Donell Stanley, Jhaustin Thomas and Malik Young)
01/07/14 - Added Elliot Fry, placed on scholarship
01/07/14 - Removed transfers (Kendric Salley, Ahmad Christian)
01/07/14 - Removed NFL entrants (Jadeveon Clowney, Bruce Ellington, Kelcy Quarles, Victor Hampton)
01/07/14 - Removed 2013 seniors (Connor Shaw, Ronald Patrick, Chaz Sutton, Jimmy Legree)
11/11/13 - Removed Nick St. Germain, no longer with program
10/24/13 - Removed J.P. Vonashek, no longer with program
08/19/13 - Added Connor McLaurin, placed on scholarship for 2013-14
08/19/13 - Added Sidney Rhodes, placed on scholarship for 2013-14
07/23/13 - Removed Devante Covington, did not qualify
07/23/13 - Removed Patrick Fish, no longer on scholarship
02/19/13 - Added 2013 commitments (Larenz Bryant, Mohamed Camara, Pharoh Cooper, Devante Covington, Kelsey Griffin, Ali Groves, David Johnson, Bryce King, Alan Knott, Ronnie Martin, Connor Mitch, Skai Moore, D.J. Park, Na'Ty Rodgers, Jasper Sasser, Jamari Smith, Gerald Turner, J.P. Vonashek, Jonathan Walton, Devin Washington, David Williams)
02/19/13 - Removed Kyle Harris, transfer
02/19/13 - Removed NFL entrants (Marcus Lattimore, Ace Sanders)
02/19/13 - Removed early graduates (Andrew Clifford, Chaun Gresham, DeAngelo Smith, Travis Ford)
02/19/13 - Removed 2012 seniors (Seth Strickland, Kenny Miles, Qua Gilchrist, D.L. Moore, Justice Cunningham, T.J. Johnson, Kaleb Broome, Byron Jerideau, Devin Taylor, Aldrick Fordham, Shaq Wilson, Quin Smith, Reginald Bowens, Damario Jeffery, DeVonte Holloman, D.J. Swearinger, Jared Shaw, Akeem Auguste, Walker Inabinet, Adam Yates)
08/26/12 - Added Travis Ford, placed on scholarship
08/26/12 - Added Jared Shaw, placed on scholarship
08/26/12 - Removed Sheldon Royster, transferring
08/11/12 - Added Adam Yates, placed on scholarship
08/10/12 - Removed Cadarious Sanders, transferring
08/07/12 - Removed Tanner McEvoy, transferring
08/06/12 - Added Seth Strickland, placed on scholarship
08/06/12 - Added Walker Inabinet, placed on scholarship
07/17/12 - Removed Edward Muldrow, transferring
06/30/12 - Removed Joe Harris, did not qualify
06/22/12 - Removed Kenny Davis, removed from scholarship
06/15/12 - Removed Corey Simmons, transferring
05/28/12 - Removed Carlos Hood, did not qualify
05/28/12 - Removed Jhaustin Thomas, did not qualify
05/22/12 - Removed Lamar Scruggs, transferred
04/13/12 - Removed Matt Coffee, medical
03/07/12 - Removed Angelo Watley, dismissed
01/13/12 - Added Chris Moody, commitment
01/13/12 - Added Mike Davis, commitment
01/07/12 - Added Jordan Diggs, commitment
01/05/12 - Added Chaz Elder, commitment
01/05/12 - Removed Stephon Gilmore, NFL
01/05/12 - Removed Alshon Jeffery, NFL
01/04/12 - Added Nick St. Germain, commitment
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having EE counting back has nothing to do with the max cap of 85.....Erick, the Vol on here, said they either grayshirted some and/or had a few that didn't qualify.
I thought that the EE rule was setup so that you could have guys enroll early, such as from a JUCO, but they could only fulfill the allotment of scholarships you didn't use the previous season or upcoming season up to 85.

Who did they grayshirt if they currently have 81 guys on scholarship according to this article and why? 33 of their 34 recruits on 247 have enrolled already.

http://knoxblogs.com/evanseleven/ten...ence-position/

Is tennessee saying that they only signed 25 recruits this cycle and that 8 of the 33 enrolled are grayshirting?
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if Wideman and Smalls qualify, then Sawyer, Thomas and Ritchie didn't qualify. So the class had 21 originally, lost 3, ended up with 18....since we had a max last year of 22, that leaves 4 that could qualify for EE that could count back on the 2015 class. As of right now we have 81 and are therfore under the hard cap limit.

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I asked TM over at 247 about this today and I just thought to go and check. From what he wrote it looks like they penalty for this season's scholarship will not have an impact on the # of EE's we can take in January. So it won't be up to the 82 scholarships, it will be up to the 85 (meaning we can take 3 more EE's than what was proposed above) and still be under that 85 limit.) Although, I'm still trying to find out if that even really means anything if we can do what Tenn did and sign 12 EE's with the help of the Financial Aid agreements.

The recruits can sign those as early as Aug 1 but no later than Dec 1 if they want to EE under the loophole.
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I asked TM over at 247 about this today and I just thought to go and check. From what he wrote it looks like they penalty for this season's scholarship will not have an impact on the # of EE's we can take in January. So it won't be up to the 82 scholarships, it will be up to the 85 (meaning we can take 3 more EE's than what was proposed above) and still be under that 85 limit.) Although, I'm still trying to find out if that even really means anything if we can do what Tenn did and sign 12 EE's with the help of the Financial Aid agreements.

The recruits can sign those as early as Aug 1 but no later than Dec 1 if they want to EE under the loophole.
The 82 limit I believe goes through our 2014 season. Let's assume our 2014 class ended up with 18. That would make us eligible to have 4 EE in the 2015 class that count back to 2014. Now let's assume our 2015 class is 29 composed of 25 annual limit and 4 EE that can be counted back to 2014. We currently have 14 seniors. After the 2014 season, those 14 will be gone plus we will probably lose 4 that will opt to go to the NFL early. Since we now have 81, then subtract 18 after the 2014 season giving us 63. Then add the 29 from 2015 that gives us 92. This means we will need to have attrition of 7 to get us to the cap of 85 for the 2015 season. Of course there are a lot of assumptions used, but most of them are fairly realistic. I only used those numbers to be able to work through the example.
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