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Old 06-24-2014, 11:51 AM   #81
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The way to beat USC is to blitz and play man coverage.

Teams could not blitz us very much because of the threat of Connor breaking loose for big yards with everyone turning their backs to him. So they played a lot of Cover 2 zone and tried to bring some different looks to keep everything in front of them. That is when USC starts picking you apart with Curl/flat combination routes and down the seams.

With Dylan, however, you can man up on the outside and bring a bunch of people to test an offensive line that has been mediocre in pass protection. If you have success getting to Thompson, you'll eventually get Spurrier to go into a shell and at that point you can load the box to stop Davis.

USC's key this year is to play ahead of the chains and don't turn it over. Do those things and things should hum nicely.
Nick Jones and Damier Byrd create matchup problems in man to man because of their quickness and strength. Also, I don't think I would want to be one on one against Shaq Roland. Covering the tight end with a run-oriented safety or linebacker could also be a problemo.

If Thompson can throw the out pass with precision and our receivers have hands like the end of the year last year, we should be good with press man.
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Nick Jones and Damier Byrd create matchup problems in man to man because of their quickness and strength. Also, I don't think I would want to be one on one against Shaq Roland. Covering the tight end with a run-oriented safety or linebacker could also be a problemo.

If Thompson can throw the out pass with precision and our receivers have hands like the end of the year last year, we should be good with press man.

Our receivers will be excellent but Thompson can't throw if he is on his back or being forced to get rid of it to his check downs earlier than he wants to because of pressure. Teams are going to bring a lot more pressure than they have recently.
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Having a 5th year senior QB with big game experience and huge film room work ethic will pay dividends against blitzing defenses. Defenses can live and die by the blitz and when a QB knows it's coming that's when he can burn them with quick screens or even a draw/shovel pass to the RB. Get the ball past the blitz and there is nothing but open space.
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Having a 5th year senior QB with big game experience and huge film room work ethic will pay dividends against blitzing defenses. Defenses can live and die by the blitz and when a QB knows it's coming that's when he can burn them with quick screens or even a draw/shovel pass to the RB. Get the ball past the blitz and there is nothing but open space.
Agreed but getting the ball out has been a big issue with our pocket passers since 2005.
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Agreed but getting the ball out has been a big issue with our pocket passers since 2005.
Well there is no arguing that. Thompson has been quoted that he is really working on getting the ball out quickly like Spurrier preaches. I just believe that he (you could probably add Blake Mitchell as well) is the prototypical type of QB Spurrier had when he was at Florida and the offense should resemble that this year. On paper this is the best offense Spurrier has had since he got here. Obviously on paper doesn't mean squat until they take it to the field but I really think this offense has the making to be one of Spurrier's best.
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Our receivers will be excellent but Thompson can't throw if he is on his back or being forced to get rid of it to his check downs earlier than he wants to because of pressure. Teams are going to bring a lot more pressure than they have recently.
Yeah, now teams are rotating in so many d-line in they can keep up the pressure all game.
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Check downs to Mike Davis or one of our TE's when the DEF is blitzing and in Man-to-man wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. For all the grief he got about fumbling the ball twice against Mizzou last year, MD had 10 catches for a 100 yds in that game.
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Heard it before but this should be by far the best OL we have had under Spurrier with some very experienced, good blocking TE's and experienced good blocking RB's to give DT some time. DT and Davis should kill overly aggressive D's with screens and wheel routes, they were good at this last year and should be better this year.
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when teams have blitzed in the pass. Gameplan just like when Shaw came in against Mizzou. screen passes and chechdown passes to MD.
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Check downs to Mike Davis or one of our TE's when the DEF is blitzing and in Man-to-man wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. For all the grief he got about fumbling the ball twice against Mizzou last year, MD had 10 catches for a 100 yds in that game.
I like the out pass to the X. DCs usually will account for the back on most blitz packages because that is the first option (usually) for a QB under duress. The QB should be able to get the out pass delivered before the blitzers arrive if properly executed. The X has to beat the CB to make it work though.
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I like the out pass to the X. DCs usually will account for the back on most blitz packages because that is the first option (usually) for a QB under duress. The QB should be able to get the out pass delivered before the blitzers arrive if properly executed. The X has to beat the CB to make it work though.
The last couple of quick passes I've seen from Dylan have been in the dirt. Has to be a mechanical flaw.
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The last couple of quick passes I've seen from Dylan have been in the dirt. Has to be a mechanical flaw.
I'm a little puzzled as to why you're so negative about Thompson. Even though I only signed up here a few weeks ago, I've been reading the board for several years, and I've found you to be very knowledgeable and even-handed with your criticism and praise.

Thompson has never before had the confidence of an undisputed starter. He has that this year. Also, according to his twitter, he worked with Mastrole during the off-season. I expect that the glitch in his mechanics has been corrected. He's working the team this summer like it hasn't been worked before, according to an article I read on another site by a respected source. There is every reason to be optimistic about this year.

Let's give him a chance before we decide he isn't up to the job. Spurrier said Thompson was the best player on the field. That's a big statement, even for Spurrier. He has confidence in Thompson. There has to be a good reason for that.
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I have guarded optimism with Dylan. I worry that a lot of our fanbase is getting the cart before the horse right now without looking at his entire body of work. He is just as much of a question mark as other units on the team.

He worked with a QB guru last Summer too and depending on who you talk to, George Whitfield might've messed him up.

I don't think he is going to suck this year. I do however think that some things are going to have to work in favor of him to have the kind of success that is expected. Starting with the offensive line. These guys have got to keep his jersey clean and allow him to get the ball out. Like I said before, this offense is going to face some different looks now that the threat of a QB scampering for 20+ yards is gone. If we get into a bunch of 3rd and longs, its pin the ears back and go get him. Also the threat of the zone read could be gone if Dylan can't make teams pay for selling out on Davis. Its time for the offensive line to get off this finesse shit and start mauling people on 1st down so we can get into some 2nd and 5, 3rd & short situations. That allows for play-action to happen.

Dylan also plays off emotion. When good things are happening to him, he can really get the offense humming. But when he faces some adversity, I think things start to get shaky for him. You have to acknowledge his career 50% completion percentages. That screams of inconsistency.

He has also only played in 2 hostile SEC environments so far, Florida (blowout) / Mizzou (ineffectiveness). For a team looking for a championship, you'd like to have a guy that has done it before. So I think that is going to be a question mark too. Also look at the defenses he has played significant time against .. Missouri, Clemson, Michigan, East Carolina, UAB .. Not exactly world beaters like Florida and possibly a Georgia could be this year. I'm really curious how he is going to hold up being the guy that is being game planned for every week. IMO, the Georgia game is going to be his measuring stick.

I have no doubt of his knowledge of the playbook and his ability to make all of throws. I think he can be wonderful just like Coach Spurrier does but I need to see a few games to believe it first.
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C2 such a great post. Very honest.

For the record i love DT. Think he is a great person. And can be a great quarterback. I watched the 2010 spring game i believe. Maybe 11. And you can see how much he has changed his mechanics. Thats the first thing i noticed last year when he stepped in aganst UNC. As soon as he threw the TD i noticed how they had changed just from the year before.

Looking at Dylan's full body of work i like to say this, "when hes on, hes on" and i used to say the same about Mitchell. Who i like a lot. He reminds me of Blake.

Idk. Guess all we can do is wait and see. Im excited. Its gonna be fun the ball will be in the air!

I know this for sure. If thompson plays as good as he has on the past we will see true Fun n gun like weve very rarely seen here. Cock n fire
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The same song, different verse with Dylan.
His consistency.
If the Dylan that shows up against Clemson two years ago, or the one that performed in the Outback Bowl against Michigan, we will have a good offense.

If the one that showed up against UCF or Mizzou shows up, it will be a struggle.

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I have guarded optimism with Dylan. I worry that a lot of our fanbase is getting the cart before the horse right now without looking at his entire body of work. He is just as much of a question mark as other units on the team.

He worked with a QB guru last Summer too and depending on who you talk to, George Whitfield might've messed him up.

I don't think he is going to suck this year. I do however think that some things are going to have to work in favor of him to have the kind of success that is expected. Starting with the offensive line. These guys have got to keep his jersey clean and allow him to get the ball out. Like I said before, this offense is going to face some different looks now that the threat of a QB scampering for 20+ yards is gone. If we get into a bunch of 3rd and longs, its pin the ears back and go get him. Also the threat of the zone read could be gone if Dylan can't make teams pay for selling out on Davis. Its time for the offensive line to get off this finesse shit and start mauling people on 1st down so we can get into some 2nd and 5, 3rd & short situations. That allows for play-action to happen.

Dylan also plays off emotion. When good things are happening to him, he can really get the offense humming. But when he faces some adversity, I think things start to get shaky for him. You have to acknowledge his career 50% completion percentages. That screams of inconsistency.

He has also only played in 2 hostile SEC environments so far, Florida (blowout) / Mizzou (ineffectiveness). For a team looking for a championship, you'd like to have a guy that has done it before. So I think that is going to be a question mark too. Also look at the defenses he has played significant time against .. Missouri, Clemson, Michigan, East Carolina, UAB .. Not exactly world beaters like Florida and possibly a Georgia could be this year. I'm really curious how he is going to hold up being the guy that is being game planned for every week. IMO, the Georgia game is going to be his measuring stick.

I have no doubt of his knowledge of the playbook and his ability to make all of throws. I think he can be wonderful just like Coach Spurrier does but I need to see a few games to believe it first.
Fully agree with you on all points.
It isn't tearing a guy down, it is being realistic.
And as you said, right now, Dylan is still a question mark.

We know what we can do when he is on, we also know what we get when he is off.

One thing, you never know what knowing that you are "the guy" does for a guys mentality. Again, another intangible that won't be answered until the TAMU game...no amount of practice reports will answer questions we have about Dylan and this offense.
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If Thompson can throw the out pass with precision and our receivers have hands like the end of the year last year, we should be good with press man.
Yes, all those matchup issues are nice for us.
Goes back to C2, if the Oline pass protection doesn't improve, it doesn't matter how many mismatches we have.
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My concern with DT, is his ability to come out and be calm. He needs to be setteled in the pocket. In the past I noticed he was like a race horse to anxious to get in the chute. Some analyst say this will be the best team SOS has fielded since coming to Carolina, And I believe it. TAM coach stated he was suspious of SOS," Been to quite this summer. Iam thinking he may have somthing".
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My concern with DT, is his ability to come out and be calm. He needs to be setteled in the pocket. In the past I noticed he was like a race horse to anxious to get in the chute. Some analyst say this will be the best team SOS has fielded since coming to Carolina, And I believe it. TAM coach stated he was suspious of SOS," Been to quite this summer. Iam thinking he may have somthing".
I think Thompson is more emotional than Shaw, but I don't see that as a bad thing. He stated in an interview not too long ago that in the past season he felt the pressure to make a big play every time he took the field, or he would be taken out. I think that will be gone this season. It's his team.

CoverTwo, thank you for your measured response. I can see how you would think that way, and I agree that Thompson is not a fully proven commodity at this point. I think Whitfield did mess up his mechanics, and I also think that's why he went to Mastrole a few months ago instead of Whitfield again.

I've read many articles that peg us to win the SEC East, and several that have us winning the whole enchilada. In Lindy's, they mention Thompson as intelligent and more than capable. I think they're right. He's a smart guy, and he knows this season is his one shot at the NFL.

I think you'll feel better about him after we win the first three games.
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Default Re: D.Thompson vs mizz u.

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Originally Posted by CoverTwo View Post
Like I said before, this offense is going to face some different looks now that the threat of a QB scampering for 20+ yards is gone.
I believe one of the keys will be that Dylan in fact is able to up his running game. I see no reason he couldn't be an effective zone read guy. The mold has been cast....
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