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Old 06-25-2014, 09:17 PM   #841
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Why?
I don't know all the ins an outs, but the thinking seems to be that if he can't get the extra 6 months or so that come from being an early enrollee, the staff doesn't want to bring him in. I like him coming in not just for his ability, but also to keep that Greenwood connection strong, but of course, my opinion isn't highly valued by the our coaches.
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[quote=mick66;4190770]I don't know all the ins an outs, but the thinking seems to be that if he can't get the extra 6 months or so that come from being an early enrollee, the staff doesn't want to bring him in. I like him coming in not just for his ability, but also to keep that Greenwood connection strong, but of course, my opinion isn't highly valued by the our coaches.[/QUOTE]

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I think the coaches are thinking about the Greenwood connection when they decided to Durant a scholly only if he can come in the Sspring. History has shown that JUCOs that arrive in the Fall do not to play much their first year, and might not even contribute at all. We are both young and deep @ LB, so Durant has to earn his playing time. Kinda hard to do if he misses the Spring and comes in without knowing the playbook.

If Durant sits on the bench for two years and misses a shot at the NFL, it would make it harder to get kids out of Greenwood. It would also be unfair to bring him in and let him take PT from proven players that are already on the team. Unless he can come in early and proves he is better than some of our other guys, it makes more sense to offer a high school LB that can wait for a year or two before he gets on the depth chart.
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This is TM's impression of how we would finish our class.

Running back - 2
Wide receiver - 1
Offensive guard - 1
Offensive tackle - 1
Defensive end - 2-3
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That's either 11 or 12 making our class 29 or 30.
So he thinks were going to have attrition of like 10 people?
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So he thinks were going to have attrition of like 10 people?
Well we have 14 seniors right? and I think we will be able to count back 5 to last year so that's 19. Then plan on Roland, Davis, Shell, and maybe 1 other wild card leaving early so that's 23 and then some of those new recruits for 2015 wont make it in and you will have a few transfers so 29-30 is prob about right.
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Well we have 14 seniors right? and I think we will be able to count back 5 to last year so that's 19. Then plan on Roland, Davis, Shell, and maybe 1 other wild card leaving early so that's 23 and then some of those new recruits for 2015 wont make it in and you will have a few transfers so 29-30 is prob about right.
Aren't we "adding back" the two schollies that we lost during probation?
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So he thinks were going to have attrition of like 10 people?
No, we get 2 scholarships back from being on probation, that makes your number 8, we count back 5 players that enroll early to last years class and that means he thinks the attrition will be 3 to 4.
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I think the coaches are thinking about the Greenwood connection when they decided to Durant a scholly only if he can come in the Sspring. History has shown that JUCOs that arrive in the Fall do not to play much their first year, and might not even contribute at all. We are both young and deep @ LB, so Durant has to earn his playing time. Kinda hard to do if he misses the Spring and comes in without knowing the playbook.

If Durant sits on the bench for two years and misses a shot at the NFL, it would make it harder to get kids out of Greenwood. It would also be unfair to bring him in and let him take PT from proven players that are already on the team. Unless he can come in early and proves he is better than some of our other guys, it makes more sense to offer a high school LB that can wait for a year or two before he gets on the depth chart.
We're bringing in Amonte Caban four* LB for a visit.....if the coaches were sure Durant was making it in and would see significant minutes, they wouldn't still be looking at other kids. Plus a good hs player that gives you 4 years is better than 2 years of a JUCO.
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So he thinks were going to have attrition of like 10 people?
more like 6-7

current 81 less 14 less 4 plus 29 = 92....that's 7 over the 85 limit for 2015....a couple won't qualify, so there will be 4-5 transferring out.
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No, we get 2 scholarships back from being on probation, that makes your number 8, we count back 5 players that enroll early to last years class and that means he thinks the attrition will be 3 to 4.
I'm not concerned about countbacks. Countbacks just mean we can sign them, it doesn't have anything to with how much attrition we need to happen. If we sign 25 this class we still oversigned. We only have 85 scholarships total to work with.
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more like 6-7

current 81 less 14 less 4 plus 29 = 92....that's 7 over the 85 limit for 2015....a couple won't qualify, so there will be 4-5 transferring out.
You must not be counting Wideman and Smalls.
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You must not be counting Wideman and Smalls.
both are included in the 81....just reported today that pay sites think Smalls is going to make it in.....Wideman is the only one that we aren't certain at this point. The 81 doesn't include Ritchie and Sawyer, but does include Thomas....so technically we should be starting with 80.
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I'm not concerned about countbacks. Countbacks just mean we can sign them, it doesn't have anything to with how much attrition we need to happen. If we sign 25 this class we still oversigned. We only have 85 scholarships total to work with.
Roger that, we will have a few not qualify in the 25 and 3-4 declare for the draft leaving 4-5 to transfer out depending on the number of NFL declarations. We will start with 80-82 schollies, lose 14 SR's, lose 3-4 to the NFL early, gain 3-4 in January as early entries, sign 25 to LOI, 2-3 will not qualify leaving 4-5 to transfer. Something along those lines will happen...
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Roger that, we will have a few not qualify in the 25 and 3-4 declare for the draft leaving 4-5 to transfer out depending on the number of NFL declarations. We will start with 80-82 schollies, lose 14 SR's, lose 3-4 to the NFL early, gain 3-4 in January as early entries, sign 25 to LOI, 2-3 will not qualify leaving 4-5 to transfer. Something along those lines will happen...
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more like 6-7

current 81 less 14 less 4 plus 29 = 92....that's 7 over the 85 limit for 2015....a couple won't qualify, so there will be 4-5 transferring out.
I don't know where you are getting that "less 4" from. I have 80 - 14 + 29 = 95. 10 over.
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Roger that, we will have a few not qualify in the 25 and 3-4 declare for the draft leaving 4-5 to transfer out depending on the number of NFL declarations. We will start with 80-82 schollies, lose 14 SR's, lose 3-4 to the NFL early, gain 3-4 in January as early entries, sign 25 to LOI, 2-3 will not qualify leaving 4-5 to transfer. Something along those lines will happen...
Until it happens or it looks like it is a lock to happen, I am not subtracting any non qualifiers and early draft entries, and decomittments. I am going on the numbers right now, I am not going on guessing. If we were take 29 we'd be 10 over and then all those other things and some transfers would have to happen to get down to 85 scholarships from 95. Unless, I am missing something that is.
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I just leave it to the coaches, they are the ones who deal with it...
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I just leave it to the coaches, they are the ones who deal with it...
I am. I just don't think we take 29 I think we take 26 maybe 27 tops.
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I don't know where you are getting that "less 4" from. I have 80 - 14 + 29 = 95. 10 over.
Probably atleast 4 leave the team plus 3 or 4 leave early for the NFL. (I believe those are the "less 4" he is referring to.) Shell, Mike D., Roland, maybe 1 or 2 more

And some won't qualify, hopefully not as many as this year.

We will be fine on numbers next year.
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Until it happens or it looks like it is a lock to happen, I am not subtracting any non qualifiers and early draft entries, and decomittments. I am going on the numbers right now, I am not going on guessing. If we were take 29 we'd be 10 over and then all those other things and some transfers would have to happen to get down to 85 scholarships from 95. Unless, I am missing something that is.
We go over this numbers issue every recruiting year and when the roster is set in August, we are at the scholarship limit or below it. Attrition happens every year and is a natural part of CFB. Every year we look like we'll end up 6-7-8-10 over the limit and then kids leave, get kicked off team, declare, and don't qualify.

The coaches have a very good idea on how many they can take. We are at 22 with no one leaving the program besides Seniors and Shell/Roland/Davis. We have some 4th year juniors that look like they either have to perform in 2014 of they won't get their 5th year (Brent/Jeffery/Harris/Cooper). Then our usual transfers and non-qualifiers. Numbers wise, we are in great shape to take a big class.
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