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Old 07-01-2014, 06:14 PM   #41
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There are a lot of rivalries across the country that are accepted as 'natural' that are not geographically adjacent to one another.

Some people just want something you complain about.
You appear to be one of those people.
Notre Dame and Suck Cal are not rivals.
Notre Dame and Penn State are not rivals
Notre Dame and Stanford are not rivals.
Notre Dame and Michigan are not rivals.
Michigan and Ohio State is an overrated rivalry, that rivalry is calm compared to most SEC-ACC school rivalries in the same state.

See where this is going they are only considered "rivalries" because they are traditional powerhouses that is it, they will never see a alum in their daily lives. By the way this is a discussion board so not everyone is going to agree, the comment wasn't warranted, he doesn't like and quite frankly this is another meaningless "rivalry." There is no history no reason for a trophy event the Mayor's Cup doesn't mean a hill of beans other than both schools being located in Columbia. Even the weak PC white guilt academia of USC didn't want Travis because of his ties to catching runaway slaves and leaving his wife. aTm needs to keep the Texas or another one of the other Big XII Texas school rivalry rather than just ditching them.
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:46 PM   #42
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[quote=Spurrier_Superior_One;4194505]Notre Dame and Suck Cal are not rivals.
Notre Dame and Penn State are not rivals
Notre Dame and Stanford are not rivals.
Notre Dame and Michigan are not rivals.
Michigan and Ohio State is an overrated rivalry, that rivalry is calm compared to most SEC-ACC school rivalries in the same state.



Good point; FSU and FL is a good rivalry
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:19 PM   #44
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I wouldn't have a problem with it if the trophy was created because this series turned into a true rivalry and not just a forced game. Seems kind of silly to create a trophy for a game/series that may not gain enough traction to really be called a rivalry.
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:32 AM   #45
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I like it because it pays tribute to those from South Carolina that contributed to the Texas Revolution. I wish it listed every South Carolinian:

James Bonham
Lemuel Crawford
Samuel Maverick (where the term maverick comes from, independent thinker)
George Neggan
Edward Nelson
George Nelson
Cleveland Kinloch Simmons
William B. Travis

Being a bit of a history buff, for me, this is great way to celebrate history and our state's connections.

And besides, it's not named after a Texan, it's named after a Gamecock.

"Never ask a man if he is from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you in the first five minutes of conversation, if he isn't you don't want to offend him." - My adaptation of an old saying, also works for Californians.
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:29 AM   #46
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This is a dumb idea
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:49 AM   #47
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Just so I am clear, a chance comes along to put our name and school in peoples minds in Texas, one of the top 3 college talent producing states in the country and several think this is a horrible idea. I hope none of those people ever said it was good for USC to get exposure in Texas at all, because this trophy game basically gives us more exposure for almost nothing in return and I guess if you hate this idea you never saw any value in getting into that area at all.
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Just so I am clear, a chance comes along to put our name and school in peoples minds in Texas, one of the top 3 college talent producing states in the country and several think this is a horrible idea. I hope none of those people ever said it was good for USC to get exposure in Texas at all, because this trophy game basically gives us more exposure for almost nothing in return and I guess if you hate this idea you never saw any value in getting into that area at all.
I have to ask here, trapper. How does a trophy give you more exposure?

Playing the game does, sure. A win against the Aggies gives a little more exposure than playing the game itself.

But a trophy? If you win, it's sitting in Cola. If you lose, it's sitting in College Station where recruits will see it, but also be reminded the Aggies won.

I don't understand the correlation you're seeing.

BTW, I consider the Foy-ODK trophy and its presentation a joke that is long past its time. I love the traditions of college football and that trophy has been around for almost a decade. It's not mentioned much at all—if any—when it comes to the game it represents.
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I have to ask here, trapper. How does a trophy give you more exposure?

Playing the game does, sure. A win against the Aggies gives a little more exposure than playing the game itself.

But a trophy? If you win, it's sitting in Cola. If you lose, it's sitting in College Station where recruits will see it, but also be reminded the Aggies won.

I don't understand the correlation you're seeing.

BTW, I consider the Foy-ODK trophy and its presentation a joke that is long past its time. I love the traditions of college football and that trophy has been around for almost a decade. It's not mentioned much at all—if any—when it comes to the game it represents.
Basically, by giving a game a trophy you are pretty much saying the game is a big deal. Texas A&M always promotes their traditions, so if they are including us in that group you can be sure their fanbase will talk about it. If we have a gameday option for us, it will be the focal point of one segment at least. You had a couple of SC natives fighting to help Texas gain independence, its part of their history. They have schools and roads named after the guy. Read the article, "everyone in Texas knows who he is." This trophy ties that guy, a guy they consider a hero, to SC and our game. I don't see how that isn't good for us.

Now of course, you still have to win the game, but I dont think its an accident we are building ties to Mizzou and Texas A&M, they are willing to make our games as a big deal and not treat us like second class citizens like some others in the SEC.
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Do we really need to play for possibly 5 trophies a year (3 at minimum)? Seems like overkill
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:56 AM   #51
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I like it. Texas A&M have the most intense football fans in the State of Texas ... by far. UT is more like UNC in they are wine and cheese types compared to A&M.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:13 AM   #52
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I like it. Texas A&M have the most intense football fans in the State of Texas ... by far. UT is more like UNC in they are wine and cheese types compared to A&M.
Have you ever been to the state of Texas?
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:20 AM   #53
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Michigan and Ohio State is an overrated rivalry, that rivalry is calm compared to most SEC-ACC school rivalries in the same state.
I am going to have to disagree with you on that one.

How do you have so much personal, indepth knowledge of all of the college rivalry atmospheres/cultures across the country?
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Do we really need to play for possibly 5 trophies a year (3 at minimum)? Seems like overkill
That's along the lines I was thinking, is doing this creating too many "championships/trophies?"

Every year, we'll be playing for the:
Bonhmam Trophy
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State Championship/Rivalry Trophy
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National Championship Trophy

So in a perfect season, that would be 7 trophies. That seems like overkill to me, I don't think winning the Mayor's Cup would deplete the value of winning an SEC trophy, but is it really needed? While I don't think that the SEC Reg Season game trophies do any real harm, I also don't see the value.

We've been playing teams like uf, uga and tenn for 20+ years regularly and don't have a trophy, why do we need to fabricate some kind of meaning for the matchups with the new teams?
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That's along the lines I was thinking, is doing this creating too many "championships/trophies?"

Every year, we'll be playing for the:
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Mayors' Cup
State Championship/Rivalry Trophy
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So in a perfect season, that would be 7 trophies. That seems like overkill to me, I don't think winning the Mayor's Cup would deplete the value of winning an SEC trophy, but is it really needed? While I don't think that the SEC Reg Season game trophies do any real harm, I also don't see the value.

We've been playing teams like uf, uga and tenn for 20+ years regularly and don't have a trophy, why do we need to fabricate some kind of meaning for the matchups with the new teams?
It's an inexpensive way to make the game a little more interesting. I don't think it's fair to compare these single game trophies to championships and bowl games because it's not like we get a new mayors cup every time we best Mizzou. We keep the same trophy when we win and will have to give it up when we lose.

It's not like this trophy is going to be the biggest thing we play for every year, but it's something that literally has no real negatives that you can have a little fun with of you just let yourself, and that's what college football is all about.
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Michigan and Ohio State is an overrated rivalry, that rivalry is calm compared to most SEC-ACC school rivalries in the same state.

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Have you ever been to the state of Texas?
Yes. I lived in Lubbock for a year and have made many trips to Austin. I once got a date with Bevo. (She was female underneath.)
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I like it. Texas A&M have the most intense football fans in the State of Texas ... by far. UT is more like UNC in they are wine and cheese types compared to A&M.
Wine and cheese are tasty.
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So basically it's bowl season all year long. Sounds cool I guess
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