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Old 07-09-2014, 11:22 AM   #41
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I think the OP hit the nail on the head. We are battle tested and we play the BIG games regularly. Clemson has a difficult time transitioning from playing Wake and NC State to us.
Was true last game, and maybe all of them.

But from '09-'12...they couldn't block our pass rush...especially in the 2nd half. Our pass rush killed them those 4 games in the 2nd half. Our overall speed on defense seemed to shock them in '09 & '10 and we basically blew them out in '11 if you look at the stats. That defense was loaded with NFL guys.

Yea...they have gotten better on defense and a lot faster...and it's quite clear they are scrambling to catchup with the Gamecocks, which is a new place for us. I'm convinced if we were not very good, CU would not be trying as hard.
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Was true last game, and maybe all of them.

But from '09-'12...they couldn't block our pass rush...especially in the 2nd half. Our pass rush killed them those 4 games in the 2nd half. Our overall speed on defense seemed to shock them in '09 & '10 and we basically blew them out in '11 if you look at the stats. That defense was loaded with NFL guys.

Yea...they have gotten better on defense and a lot faster...and it's quite clear they are scrambling to catchup with the Gamecocks, which is a new place for us. I'm convinced if we were not very good, CU would not be trying as hard.
We will have to find other ways to beat them over the next couple years. Last year it was Connor Shaw and our ability to force turnovers. What will it be this year?
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Serious question and not smack: Does Clemson have a running game? They used to always seem to have a great running back. Now, not so much. I know their QB is a smaller, accurate type. They'll have some receivers. I think their OL is average. But I know nothing about their running game.
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Serious question and not smack: Does Clemson have a running game? They used to always seem to have a great running back. Now, not so much. I know their QB is a smaller, accurate type. They'll have some receivers. I think their OL is average. But I know nothing about their running game.
They have had 1,000 yard rushers in Ellington and McDowell...but their run game isn't consistent. Their guys get chunks of yards, but don't get third and short yardage when it counts. Also, their backs pad their stats, and then don't show up against top competition.

Just look at last year.
McDowell had 1,025 yards and 5 TDs.
How did he do against top competiton?
UGA: 132 yards
FSU: 61 yards
USC: 111 yards, 1 TD
OSU: 69 yards

4 games, 373 yards, 1 TD. But McDowell could not get tough yards when needed, and couldn't score when it counted. Again, yards are nice, but TDs count more.

Compare him to Davis, who was hurt most of the season.
1,183 yards and 11 TDs.
In his big games (UGA, UF, Clemson, Wisconsin) his numbers were:
UGA: 149 yards, TD
UF: 54 yards
Clemson: 22 yards, TD
Wisconsin: 49 yards

4 games, 274 yards but 2 touchdowns while battling injury.

Hurt, Mike Davis is more effective than a healthy Rod McDowell.
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We will have to find other ways to beat them over the next couple years. Last year it was Connor Shaw and our ability to force turnovers. What will it be this year?
Well they will not have Boyd and Watkins and one other WR guy. Not sure their passing game will be as big a factor. Hard to say until both teams start playing.
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We have Spurrier
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I'm not sure that us speculating why we are better helps us when we have trolls and spies reading everything we post but I know the reasons why we have surpassed them.
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We used to use the SEC as an excuse for why we lost the game; we were just too "beat up" after facing an SEC schedule.

The truth is simply we've recruited better talent and have better coaches.

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Well they will not have Boyd and Watkins and one other WR guy. Not sure their passing game will be as big a factor. Hard to say until both teams start playing.
You're probably thinking of Martavis Bryant. I agree, their offense is going to be very interesting to watch and could possibly be mediocre/bad compared to the production they've been used to getting from that unit. Their defense might have to carry them this year.
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We used to use the SEC as an excuse for why we lost the game; we were just too "beat up" after facing an SEC schedule.

The truth is simply we've recruited better talent and have better coaches.

That's it.
I think this goes back to the depth argument.
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You're probably thinking of Martavis Bryant. I agree, their offense is going to be very interesting to watch and could possibly be mediocre/bad compared to the production they've been used to getting from that unit. Their defense might have to carry them this year.
Yep. Figure they had a run like UGA: QB who started for 4 seasons...Boyd may have tanked v. Gamecocks, but he did play well v. lots of other teams. He is one of their best QBs ever and Watkins was special...
...'cepts when he played our guys.
We may have seen their best team for a while last season.
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We used to use the SEC as an excuse for why we lost the game; we were just too "beat up" after facing an SEC schedule.

The truth is simply we've recruited better talent and have better coaches.

That's it.
No doubt the main reason is we have better talent on the field and on the sidelines.

However, beginning in 2010, the clemson game moved out one week and we added an relatively easy non-conference game. From 1993 through 2009, we ended the season with 4 to 6 SEC games and then played clemson. The only times this did not happen were 2001, when we had Wofford prior to Florida, and 2006, when we had MTSU prior to clemson. And as you all recall, we won in both 2001 and 2006.

Scheduling makes a huge difference. I don't think we will ever see and SEC game prior to the clemson game again. At least I hope not.
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No doubt the main reason is we have better talent on the field and on the sidelines.

However, beginning in 2010, the clemson game moved out one week and we added an relatively easy non-conference game. From 1993 through 2009, we ended the season with 4 to 6 SEC games and then played clemson. The only times this did not happen were 2001, when we had Wofford prior to Florida, and 2006, when we had MTSU prior to clemson. And as you all recall, we won in both 2001 and 2006.

Scheduling makes a huge difference. I don't think we will ever see and SEC game prior to the clemson game again. At least I hope not.
I remember a few years when we had bye weeks before Clemson and we played horribly, so that's kind of weird. Totally agree, though, that putting an FCS team before Clemson is ideal and part of the recipe of our success. It functions somewhat like a bye week, but the players still get reps.
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I remember a few years when we had bye weeks before Clemson
I don't believe we've had an open week before clemson since 1966.

You can verify here as I did not look at every year:
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I'm not sure that us speculating why we are better helps us when we have trolls and spies reading everything we post but I know the reasons why we have surpassed them.
Another reason we beat them, they piece their gameplan together from threads on CockyTalk.
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We have Spurrier
Clemson has Dabo

This. They outplayed us in practically every aspect of the game last Fall and yet with excellent playcalling by the Ball Coach - we won.
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Serious question and not smack: Does Clemson have a running game? They used to always seem to have a great running back. Now, not so much. I know their QB is a smaller, accurate type. They'll have some receivers. I think their OL is average. But I know nothing about their running game.
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IMHO we, by far, have better coaching. The best thing clemsux has done for us, is to extend Dumbo for 8 years. SOS is a far superior coach, and has put together an outstanding staff.
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They have had 1,000 yard rushers in Ellington and McDowell...but their run game isn't consistent. Their guys get chunks of yards, but don't get third and short yardage when it counts. Also, their backs pad their stats, and then don't show up against top competition.

Just look at last year.
McDowell had 1,025 yards and 5 TDs.
How did he do against top competiton?
UGA: 132 yards
FSU: 61 yards
USC: 111 yards, 1 TD
OSU: 69 yards

4 games, 373 yards, 1 TD. But McDowell could not get tough yards when needed, and couldn't score when it counted. Again, yards are nice, but TDs count more.

Compare him to Davis, who was hurt most of the season.
1,183 yards and 11 TDs.
In his big games (UGA, UF, Clemson, Wisconsin) his numbers were:
UGA: 149 yards, TD
UF: 54 yards
Clemson: 22 yards, TD
Wisconsin: 49 yards

4 games, 274 yards but 2 touchdowns while battling injury.

Hurt, Mike Davis is more effective than a healthy Rod McDowell.
You realize that statement makes absolutely no sense when comparing big games. McDowell had almost 100 yds more than Davis against top competition. And if we are throwing out crutches like injuries McDowell is missing part of one foot and actually wears about 2 size smaller shoe on one foot compared to the other.
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