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Old 07-11-2014, 10:23 AM   #921
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Double edged sword. There are lots of teams behind us who recruit top 10 most every year. They have far fewer commitments than we do at this time & some will vault ahead of us as time goes on. Just the nature of the beast.

On the other hand, if USC can land its top JUCO targets, Bailey, a top RB, etc other teams will be much harder pushed to make us fall too far. Good looking class so far, still some significant holes to fill. Very significant holes. Gotta keep pushing & I trust that's exactly what the staff intends to do.
Feels nice to be above all the big schools like FSU, UGA, LSU..at least for a little while. I imagine we'll finish somewhere between 8-12 which is fantastic.
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That to me says Clemson doesn't rely on their own evaluations but instead sits on Rivals all day. You're kidding right? You realize we shoot out a bunch of offers to 4* and 5* at the beginning of every year hoping we'll get a bite right?

I guess Bama is a bunch of starchasers too. They sure paid the price for that.

I'm not defending Clemson but let's not turn into Taternet with the overwhelming delusion and bias. I don't doubt that we evaluate prospects a little bit better but its funny how BOTH schools have top 5 classes yet they are the star chasers and we aren't.
Exactly! if we were around #22 in the recruiting rankings fans would be saying the rankings don't matter. Since we are in the top 5 fans like to say it matters.

They definitely do matter, it means we are landing most of our top targets so that's good. It's all relative, the rankings matter but it's not the end all be all.

I'm just worried about getting a couple of our top recruits (green and Lammons) on campus now. After taking such a blow with Sawyer and Thomas that would hurt hard to lose 4 out of our top 5 2014 guys
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That to me says Clemson doesn't rely on their own evaluations but instead sits on Rivals all day. You're kidding right? You realize we shoot out a bunch of offers to 4* and 5* at the beginning of every year hoping we'll get a bite right?
I guess Bama is a bunch of starchasers too. They sure paid the price for that.

I'm not defending Clemson but let's not turn into Taternet with the overwhelming delusion and bias. I don't doubt that we evaluate prospects a little bit better but its funny how BOTH schools have top 5 classes yet they are the star chasers and we aren't.
I am not one to go back and verify but I don't agree with this remark. We do offer 5* but I do not recall us shooting out bunch of offers. I do believe we are a lot more targeting than Clemp5on. I recall, and my mind is wasted, but I recall/perception is most all 5* and almost every 4* (regionally) has an early Clemp5on offer. I smh on how they offer so many recruits early on. Could be their alumni identifying these guys, they look at the star rating(but guys don't get stars until their senior year right) could be their coaches are really good at identifying talent. Doesn't really matter as long as Dabo is there we will beat them on the field.
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That to me says Clemson doesn't rely on their own evaluations but instead sits on Rivals all day. You're kidding right? You realize we shoot out a bunch of offers to 4* and 5* at the beginning of every year hoping we'll get a bite right?

I guess Bama is a bunch of starchasers too. They sure paid the price for that.

I'm not defending Clemson but let's not turn into Taternet with the overwhelming delusion and bias. I don't doubt that we evaluate prospects a little bit better but its funny how BOTH schools have top 5 classes yet they are the star chasers and we aren't.
Recruiting rankings are an ATTEMPT to rate players in relation to other players, and apparently a way to entertain fans in the off-season.
With regard to the "starchaser" business, I have held that for at least the Sweeney years, Clemson has successfully recruited the "skill" players, including linebacker, while Carolina looks more closely to recruit for future needs. Needs in the SEC (and top football in general), are likely more heavily weighted toward offensive and defensive linemen. OL, and to a smaller extent, DL generally require more time to develop and require more good candidates to get a great performer than "skill" positions. The ratio of 4 and 5 star OL and DL seems lower than many other positions. Our miss one year on some lineman targets (including not qualifying) will probably hurt us, isn't a killer since OL usually stay longer unless they are really elite. That's one reason Elliott can be smiling this year - having 10 really serviceable interior linemen. We've got lots of redshirt underclassmen with 2-4 years in the program.
Add to that, the need of some unnamed coach to mollify losing to Carolina by saying "We outrecruited them again!"
We certainly go after top players. We are not at all reluctant to take also some guys we don't have to promise early playing time and who are willing to take the redshirt year, remold their bodies, devote year-round to becoming top football players, and sometimes make it, sometimes transfer out while they still have time to play in another program.
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Anyone care to disclose GC's report today on Wideman, Smalls, Lammons, Green and Blue?
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Anyone care to disclose GC's report today on Wideman, Smalls, Lammons, Green and Blue?
I don't know about what that report says, but Green and Lammon's ACT scores were flagged by the NCAA Clearinghouse as being too high. So they are making both of them retake the ACT today with a NCAA Proctor. They will know the scores in two weeks. If the scores are close to what they got before or at/above the necessary score for them to enroll, they're in. We'll find out in 2 weeks.

The last I read, Blue is good to go and just waiting on the Clearinghouse to send him notice.

Wideman is waiting on a test score to see if he is coming here or going to Prep.

I don't know anything about Smalls situation.
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I don't know about what that report says, but Green and Lammon's ACT scores were flagged by the NCAA Clearinghouse as being too high. So they are making both of them retake the ACT today with a NCAA Proctor. They will know the scores in two weeks. If the scores are close to what they got before or at/above the necessary score for them to enroll, they're in. We'll find out in 2 weeks.

The last I read, Blue is good to go and just waiting on the Clearinghouse to send him notice.

Wideman is waiting on a test score to see if he is coming here or going to Prep.

I don't know anything about Smalls situation.
Smalls also has to retake the ACT but he is not taking it today.....don't know when that will happen.
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I don't know about what that report says, but Green and Lammon's ACT scores were flagged by the NCAA Clearinghouse as being too high. So they are making both of them retake the ACT today with a NCAA Proctor. They will know the scores in two weeks. If the scores are close to what they got before or at/above the necessary score for them to enroll, they're in. We'll find out in 2 weeks.

The last I read, Blue is good to go and just waiting on the Clearinghouse to send him notice.

Wideman is waiting on a test score to see if he is coming here or going to Prep.

I don't know anything about Smalls situation.
Thanks. Now they're making it impossible for athletes to qualify because your test score is either too low or now too high. Assuming they didn't make perfect scores, isn't it possible they have intelligence and are good test takers? I guess we can thank Derrick Rose for all this test score regulation.
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Clemson typically offers and takes commitments earlier than us. They like to offer a lot of people and then get commits during the Spring and Summer when they can promote the family atmosphere and diversity of their campus. It is easy to sell diversity during the summer when most of the people on campus are athletes in summer school. We like to see recruits in person before giving our firm offers, so our recruiting picks up during the summer camps after recruits pass the eyeball test.

For whatever reason, Clemson's recruiting always ranks higher with ESPN than any other service. It might be that someone with Clemson ties helps with rating local prospects for ESPN, or maybe Clemson uses ESPN's rating as a criterion for going after recruits. I personally believe that ESPN is the most inaccurate of the four recruiting services, but ESPN has the most recognizable brand.
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Hey, look. We're famous: http://recruiting.blog.ajc.com/2014/...ng-to-qualify/

According to b381 this is all totally cool and no big deal, though, so I wouldn't worry.
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According to b381 this is all totally cool and no big deal, though, so I wouldn't worry.
The lack of intelligence in that comments section is staggering.
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Thanks. Now they're making it impossible for athletes to qualify because your test score is either too low or now too high. Assuming they didn't make perfect scores, isn't it possible they have intelligence and are good test takers? I guess we can thank Derrick Rose for all this test score regulation.
It has to do with how much their scores increased from the first time they took the test. There is an average amount that test-takers increase their scores from the 1st time to the 2nd time taking the test. In order to get flagged, Lammons' and Green's score increase must have been an outlier, well above that average increase.
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It has to do with how much their scores increased from the first time they took the test. There is an average amount that test-takers increase their scores from the 1st time to the 2nd time taking the test. In order to get flagged, Lammons' and Green's score increase must have been an outlier, well above that average increase.
Or the tests were proctored by unc!
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I am not one to go back and verify but I don't agree with this remark. We do offer 5* but I do not recall us shooting out bunch of offers. I do believe we are a lot more targeting than Clemp5on. I recall, and my mind is wasted, but I recall/perception is most all 5* and almost every 4* (regionally) has an early Clemp5on offer. I smh on how they offer so many recruits early on. Could be their alumni identifying these guys, they look at the star rating(but guys don't get stars until their senior year right) could be their coaches are really good at identifying talent. Doesn't really matter as long as Dabo is there we will beat them on the field.
2015 we have offered over 200 kids....no different than other year except more high quality players are giving us a serious look.
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Hey, look. We're famous: http://recruiting.blog.ajc.com/2014/...ng-to-qualify/

According to b381 this is all totally cool and no big deal, though, so I wouldn't worry.
the reason I said that was because the only kid that we are going to lose with 100% certainty is Thomas. Sawyer, Wideman and Ritchie will be Gamecocks but not with the 2014 class.....I'm not happy about but I'm not worried about it. Blue, Smalls, Green and Lammons are all likely to be part of the 2014 class as reported by GCC and TBS. But I'm glad to know you read my posts. Based on many of your past posts, you may want to avoid posting as much in the future.
The guy you called out for posting nothing a couple of weeks, your posts are similar to his.
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2015 we have offered over 200 kids....no different than other year except more high quality players are giving us a serious look.

Bingo. If we aren't offering that many regional 4* and 5* guys then that's a problem.
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For those of you that are worried about getting a RB with speed. This past Monday was a day for testing for the players after Summer I......walk on RB Rod Gardner ran in the 4.3's....he transferred last fall to Carolina from Gardner Webb
so he isn't eligible to play this fall. I don't know anything else about him, but I thought that was very impressive.

A read where someone tweeted Damiere Byrd a few days ago and asked if he would race Mark Fields after he ran a 4.33 at the Opening. Damiere tweeted back and said "haha I don't want to embarrass anybody"......by the way, Byrd ran in the 4.2's.....he's back.
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Using ESPN 2014 USC offered 130 recruits...Clemp5on offered 175 recruits.
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Using ESPN 2014 USC offered 130 recruits...Clemp5on offered 175 recruits.
C2 has a 2014-2015 offer thread near the top of the thread page. I just counted the offers and I think it's 150. I don't know how often he posts there, so it may not be currently updated but I'm sure it's close.

Normally we offer more than 200, so perhaps our coaches are going after higher quality players now.
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the reason I said that was because the only kid that we are going to lose with 100% certainty is Thomas. Sawyer, Wideman and Ritchie will be Gamecocks but not with the 2014 class.....I'm not happy about but I'm not worried about it. Blue, Smalls, Green and Lammons are all likely to be part of the 2014 class as reported by GCC and TBS.
Sawyer, Wideman, and Ritchie are not guaranteed to be in our future classes. They still have to make grades, something they failed to do once and something that another member of our 2014 class (Thomas) failed to do. Even if they make it in, Sawyer and Wideman were expected to contribute THIS YEAR (or at the very least, provide depth). They would also benefit from being in the system (learning playbook, bonding w/ teammates, being in the wS&C program) so that they'd be an integral part of next year's team. They are behind schedule b/c they couldn't make grades. You somehow fail to understand this.

As for the rest of them, I'll believe it when I see it. I can't say I'm optimistic a/b all of them making it in (neither is our staff, which said they expect 2 of 3 of the DBs to make it in).

Irrespective of the football side of things, it's not great PR for our university to have stories like this splashed in newspapers around the southeast. It's not exactly a secret that SEC schools relax admissions standards for athletes, but I'd rather USC not be seen as the avatar for this practice. Cheapens the perception of a USC degree.

Our staff clearly made some mistakes in assessing the academic progress and potential of many of these recruits. If you'd get up off your knees and look around you might notice.
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