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Old 07-11-2014, 05:34 PM   #41
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Old 07-11-2014, 09:12 PM   #42
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Messi is poor in this team! No Xavi or Iniesta! But on the other hand Argentina would be worst without him!
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So if Messi doesn't do good what?
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So if Messi doesn't do good what?
I do believe that Messi is the best player on the planet. If he doesn't "do good" is hard to quantify. His team may lose, but that doesn't tarnish the man, nor his ability. The same goes for Ronaldo............
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Damn Kaka................I thought I could learn something about the game from you.
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Well 2 of the different quizzes have me picking Tottenham Spurs as my EPL Team. Any opinions on them? Also hearing that Orlando is gonna give it another go at a Florida MLS team!
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Edit above: also just found out that dates are set for a 2nd Miami team attempt and the Atl based team!
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I do believe that Messi is the best player on the planet. If he doesn't "do good" is hard to quantify. His team may lose, but that doesn't tarnish the man, nor his ability. The same goes for Ronaldo............
Jordan is Jordan bc he won when he was supposed to, so does Kobe, so does Ali, so does Maradona, so does Pele...

Now, Messi has an strong team behind him, all he has to do is to make it happen, to do what he does best.

Big boys win big games, that's why they are big boys.
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Jordan is Jordan bc he won when he was supposed to, so does Kobe, so does Ali, so does Maradona, so does Pele...

Now, Messi has an strong team behind him, all he has to do is to make it happen, to do what he does best.

Big boys win big games, that's why they are big boys.
You are making this too black and white.

What if...Messi scores two goals but The Germans win 3/2. Does that still make Messi a choker?
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:21 AM   #50
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Jordan is Jordan bc he won when he was supposed to, so does Kobe, so does Ali, so does Maradona, so does Pele...

Now, Messi has an strong team behind him, all he has to do is to make it happen, to do what he does best.

Big boys win big games, that's why they are big boys.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Jordan didn't win anything until he had Pippen. Maradona had world class players around him (Messi doesn't - their best players failed miserably in this tournament. Messi scored or assisted on 5 of the 8 goals and one other one was the result of a deflection from a Messi pass). Pele had some of the best Brazil teams ever.

Argentina wasn't a strong team. They were fantastic defensively but Messi had zero help on the offensive side of the ball. You can't score, you don't win, and Messi can't do it all by himself. He alone got this team enough chances to make it to the Final. Give him and that defense credit.

He may not be the best of all time but he is clearly the best we have right now.
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Argentina is not a good attacking team at all. They are really good on defense somehow but Messi was totally ineffective despite being laughably faster than his defender.

C.Ronaldo, Messi, Van Persie, Robben, Sneijder will go down in the soccer category of our footballs category of "Dan Marino"...all of them are among the best ever...but they never won the biggest stage.

Does that mean that Messi "choked"? No, now Higuain? Yes, he choked SEVERAL times .

That said, I stand by my comment he is capable of being the best in the world ONLY when surrounded by the best in the world.
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Messi had it, he choked
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Jordan didn't win anything until he had Pippen. Maradona had world class players around him (Messi doesn't - their best players failed miserably in this tournament. Messi scored or assisted on 5 of the 8 goals and one other one was the result of a deflection from a Messi pass). Pele had some of the best Brazil teams ever.

Argentina wasn't a strong team. They were fantastic defensively but Messi had zero help on the offensive side of the ball. You can't score, you don't win, and Messi can't do it all by himself. He alone got this team enough chances to make it to the Final. Give him and that defense credit.

He may not be the best of all time but he is clearly the best we have right now.
Who are those great players Maradona had with him?
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If I'm a team owner, I take Ronaldo. If I want to win a game, it's a toss up with Messi. Not sure how Messi straps the ball to his ankles and runs through everybody as he does, but it's impressive. Ronaldo is on another level when it comes to athleticism and striking, he looks unnatural in his movements and the ball shoots off his foot like a UFO... 0-1,000mph in no time flat, not sure how he fails to pop the ball. I would like to see him kick a football just once.
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Who are those great players Maradona had with him?
Maradona had better players than Messi had. For the good players Messi did have on his team, none of them decided to show up except Mascherano. Argentina losing this World Cup isn't his fault. Messi is the one who got them here (offensively) along with Argentina's defense.

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The notion of one-man team is, he maintains, a myth: “The 1986 team had some really good players. They had Jorge Burruchaga, Jorge Valdano, Oscar Ruggeri, Héctor Enrique; and José Luis Brown was a good defender. You can’t win a World Cup with one player. While Maradona did unbelievable things they had good backup.”
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Maradona had better players than Messi had. For the good players Messi did have on his team, none of them decided to show up except Mascherano. Argentina losing this World Cup isn't his fault. Messi is the one who got them here (offensively) along with Argentina's defense.

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You serious? Viglia left Messi by himself in front of the keeper, he choked, no excuses.
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You serious? Viglia left Messi by himself in front of the keeper, he choked, no excuses.
Yes, he missed one. Did he choke? No. He missed a shot. He's missed plenty in his career. Granted, he's missed a lot less shots than Ronaldo. Even Maradona missed shots.

However, there is no way Argentina is in the Final without Messi.
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I think Messi came up small in the knockout stages. You can talk all you want about how he was involved in 5 out of 8 goals but come on. He didn't score after the group stage and had 1 assist and it was in the first game of the knockouts. He did absolutely nothing in the last 3 games. He didn't deserve the golden ball. Mueller had 5 goals and 3 assists. Personally I think JRod should have gotten the ball for scoring in every game he played in. 6 goals and 2 assists he deserved the Golden Ball.
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