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Old 08-16-2014, 05:26 PM   #521
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If Ward would of let Stewart pass him none of this world happen. Stewart had inside position. All Ward had to do was lift just a little bit.
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Old 08-16-2014, 07:20 PM   #522
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If Ward would of let Stewart pass him none of this world happen. Stewart had inside position. All Ward had to do was lift just a little bit.
actually,to me Ward was passing Tony on the highside and Tony either didnt know he was there or drifted up into him putting him in the wall.JMO
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Old 08-16-2014, 07:34 PM   #523
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Also,for you ppl thinking he didnt throttle up on Ward. Have you ever seen anyone or anything run over by a vehicle at any speed? They roll out from under or behind .......NOT shot 50ft or 50yds like a rubber band. He floored it when Ward approached him!
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You act like he went between the front tires of Stewart. One driver behind the wreckdidn't think Stewart's car even hit Wards car. Said he thought Ward got into the loose dirt. You don't run that high on that position on the track and have good results.
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Old 08-16-2014, 09:31 PM   #525
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You act like he went between the front tires of Stewart. One driver behind the wreckdidn't think Stewart's car even hit Wards car. Said he thought Ward got into the loose dirt. You don't run that high on that position on the track and have good results.
they pack the track in for two grooves or whole track before heats and main for sprints and super late models so they can use the whole track. He may not have made contact BUT did run him up the hill OR as you would say "in to the loose dirt".
if you've ever been to a big dirt race ................super late model or sprint car you'd know that sometimes the highside is the only way to pick up a position as most all cars hug the bottom
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they pack the track in for two grooves or whole track before heats and main for sprints and super late models so they can use the whole track. He may not have made contact BUT did run him up the hill OR as you would say "in to the loose dirt".
if you've ever been to a big dirt race ................super late model or sprint car you'd know that sometimes the highside is the only way to pick up a position as most all cars hug the bottom
Where you watch your racing at? My in laws race at Harris Speedway, but I like Cherokee Speedway too.
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Sure if you are blind and deaf. Anyone who thinks that Stewart was trying to avoid Ward in some way, or that he didn't hit the gas or swerve, or that he didn't see him are in straight up denial mode. And don't listen to what race car drivers have to say. They all have each others back because they don't know when they might need other race car drivers having their back when they screw up.
You have to hit the gas to turn a sprint car on a track, if he does not hit the gas to swerve he runs straight over the kid, sure don't listen to someone with any knowledge of the sport lets take your idiotic opinion and run with it...If you ever in your life have an accident on the road I hope someone has the same assumptions about you!
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Where you watch your racing at? My in laws race at Harris Speedway, but I like Cherokee Speedway too.
This thread is no place for civilized, coherent thoughts and posts. Take those kinds of questions else where. Instead, ask if he is dead or blind or a TS fanboy.
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This thread is no place for civilized, coherent thoughts and posts. Take those kinds of questions else where. Instead, ask if he is dead or blind or a TS fanboy.
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The man is an established Spring Cup Champion with 20 years of racing under his belt. Don't tell me he didn't see him.
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This thread is no place for civilized, coherent thoughts and posts. Take those kinds of questions else where. Instead, ask if he is dead or blind or a TS fanboy.
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not dead/blind/or a "fanboy" as you say...but do have 21 yrs viewing dirt track racing in 6 states under my belt.lol havent been to Harris or Carolina in Gastonia but one of my best friends ,Bruce Camp,is a track official at both tracks and another friend CJ Mason is an Ultimate Super Late Model official
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The man is an established Spring Cup Champion with 20 years of racing under his belt. Don't tell me he didn't see him.
I don't know how that relates to my comment that you quoted...but maybe, like TS, I'm not seeing something.
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The man is an established Spring Cup Champion with 20 years of racing under his belt. Don't tell me he didn't see him.
Video from a camera mounted inside a helmet. People need to stop with the "theres no way he couldn't have seen him" bs

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Video from a camera mounted inside a helmet. People need to stop with the "theres no way he couldn't have seen him" bs

He wasn't going that fast. And he saw because he floored it right when he got near him. You expect people to believe that was coincidence? BS. Stop being in denial and making excuses. The guy is maniac.
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You have to hit the gas to turn a sprint car on a track, if he does not hit the gas to swerve he runs straight over the kid, sure don't listen to someone with any knowledge of the sport lets take your idiotic opinion and run with it...If you ever in your life have an accident on the road I hope someone has the same assumptions about you!
He didn't just hit the gas, he was on the gas already. He floored it during a caution and turned right instead of left when he was on Tony's right flank. It's not assumptions at all, it's the plain facts.
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Video from a camera mounted inside a helmet. People need to stop with the "theres no way he couldn't have seen him" bs

Amazing how easy it was to see the guy walking on pit road once the car slowed down to caution lap level speed at the end of the video. I'm even more convinced Stewart should have easily seen Ward.
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He didn't just hit the gas, he was on the gas already. He floored it during a caution and turned right instead of left when he was on Tony's right flank. It's not assumptions at all, it's the plain facts.
Based on the video of the accident you can't tell if Tony's car turned right before or after the hit Ward. The car easily could have been jerked to the right after the collision. There is no way to tell based on that video.
The same is true for him accelerating. If Tony Stewart didn't see Ward until right before he hit him that could have been why he accelerated. Let me describe a "possible" scenario.

Tony Stewart for whatever reason doesn't see Ward standing on the track. As he gets right up to Ward he actually sees him. In an attempt to turn the car, he gases it hard. We can all agree that if he wanted to turn he had to accelerate. However, it was too late for him to avoid Ward. He hits him and the contact side of the car cause the car to turn to the right.

Does that not sound possible to anyone else?
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Amazing how easy it was to see the guy walking on pit road once the car slowed down to caution lap level speed at the end of the video. I'm even more convinced Stewart should have easily seen Ward.
It's a different race, different time of day. The only part of that video that is comparable is the size of the opening the driver looks out of. You honestly can even use the mud on the camera because that will vary to some degree on track conditions.
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We can all agree that if he wanted to turn he had to accelerate.
Not true. Watch the end of the last video in this thread. The driver turns right towards his trailer while slowing down. This whole theory of "you can't turn without accelerating" is ridiculous.
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It's a different race, different time of day. The only part of that video that is comparable is the size of the opening the driver looks out of. You honestly can even use the mud on the camera because that will vary to some degree on track conditions.
Well if the opening was all you consider then this video does nothing for you because it's obviously big enough to see out of.
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He didn't just hit the gas, he was on the gas already. He floored it during a caution and turned right instead of left when he was on Tony's right flank. It's not assumptions at all, it's the plain facts.
I was at a dirt track last saturday. Whole lot of cars were turning their steering wheel to the right while negotiating a left turn.
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