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Old 08-19-2014, 09:24 AM   #1301
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all very good questions....none of which I have an answer for....if you look at the first sentence in my post, if the coaches feel they have a reasonable chance to get a really good player later on, I think they only accept the commit of DJ Jones at this point and hold the other couple of places for better players that may not decide until later. Plus suppose we don't get Smalls or Blue, then we can take Jones and a DB and still have a couple of spots for others. I say all this under the assumption we have 8 EE.....if we only have 7 EE, then our max class can only be 32. At this point we only have 5 EE for sure.....Lewis, Palmer, Durant, Clark, Alexander.....add Wideman and Smalls if they both are eligible to enroll in January)....that's 7.....then Jones would be 8.
I have noticed several programs pursuit early HS grad EEs with far more gusto and/or success than do we. Given the consistency of this practice for some programs it strikes me as more likely intentional priority in thier recruiting plan of attack vs dumb luck. Do you know why it isn't a consistently higher priority and/or accomplishment for our staff? Is thier some specific factor(s) in the SC recruiting plan that is counter active to gaining early HS grad committments? What changes would be required in our recruiting tact to make this an improved, even significant factor ongoing? thanks WVP
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:19 AM   #1302
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I have noticed several programs pursuit early HS grad EEs with far more gusto and/or success than do we. Given the consistency of this practice for some programs it strikes me as more likely intentional priority in thier recruiting plan of attack vs dumb luck. Do you know why it isn't a consistently higher priority and/or accomplishment for our staff? Is thier some specific factor(s) in the SC recruiting plan that is counter active to gaining early HS grad committments? What changes would be required in our recruiting tact to make this an improved, even significant factor ongoing? thanks WVP
I'm just guessing, but I figure we know who we want and we know who's interested in us....those are our recruits. I figure if we have any recruits that might be able to be an EE that'd be great, but I don't think that actually being an EE figures all that much into who we recruit recently, probably due to not being able to take as many guys in each class and the scholarship reduction. This is the first year in awhile it's played a big part (as I understand it) due to us coming off the penalties and having a good and surprising amount of guys not get it. They start recruiting guys in freshman year in HS, but we don't know how many EE's we can count back until after we figure out who gets in, so it's probably not as flexible since if someone's been recruited for 3 years it'd take a lot to get them interested if they're not already and on top of that trying to get them as an EE.
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Old 08-19-2014, 02:01 PM   #1303
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Talent > EE

We won't actively pursue someone because he is an EE but it is an added bonus.

We could have up to 8 this year which is great
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I have noticed several programs pursuit early HS grad EEs with far more gusto and/or success than do we. Given the consistency of this practice for some programs it strikes me as more likely intentional priority in thier recruiting plan of attack vs dumb luck. Do you know why it isn't a consistently higher priority and/or accomplishment for our staff? Is thier some specific factor(s) in the SC recruiting plan that is counter active to gaining early HS grad committments? What changes would be required in our recruiting tact to make this an improved, even significant factor ongoing? thanks WVP
The only answer I can give you is there is still a hard cap of 85 schollies maximum......so depending on each school's numbers, they will always be limited with that. And they are limited to 25 per year plus any spots not filled the previous year. For example, let's say we get 33 for 2015 and there is no attrition. The most we could take next year is 25 subject to the maximum of 85. A school can have their whole class of EE if they want, but the same limitations apply. Another very good reason to have a lot of EE is they can go through spring practice and be much more ready to play in the fall.
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:22 AM   #1305
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May want to reopen the Rashard Causey thread. Not real sure why threads get closed to begin with but whatever.

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Old 08-20-2014, 04:49 AM   #1306
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May want to reopen the Rashard Causey thread. Not real sure why threads get closed to begin with but whatever.



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Usually if a recruit commits to another program, C2 locks the thread. More than anything I think to prevent the threads from getting hijacked by posters wanting to vent sour grapes, or start posting about how the prospect wasn't as good as this other one or that other one, etc. And USC doesn't make a huge effort to keep going after prospects that commit elsewhere unless those prospects give their USC recruiter reason to believe that USC is still in the race. Once news gets out that we are, C2 usually re-opens the threads back up for new discussion....
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:53 AM   #1307
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Usually if a recruit commits to another program, C2 locks the thread. More than anything I think to prevent the threads from getting hijacked by posters wanting to vent sour grapes, or start posting about how the prospect wasn't as good as this other one or that other one, etc. And USC doesn't make a huge effort to keep going after prospects that commit elsewhere unless those prospects give their USC recruiter reason to believe that USC is still in the race. Once news gets out that we are, C2 usually re-opens the threads back up for new discussion....
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:16 AM   #1308
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Anybody have some insight on the rivals re rankings, noticed Clemson gained a five start.
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:45 AM   #1309
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Anybody have some insight on the rivals re rankings, noticed Clemson gained a five start.
It's called the Chris ard effect.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:44 PM   #1310
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Anybody have some insight on the rivals re rankings, noticed Clemson gained a five start.
Clemson had three of the biggest risers out of anyone.

Blackshear had just about the largest drop, to boot.
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Clemson had three of the biggest risers out of anyone.

Blackshear had just about the largest drop, to boot.
Does Blackshear just not participate in any camps? Any idea if Fields moved up any?
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Does Blackshear just not participate in any camps? Any idea if Fields moved up any?
Fields moved down. He was at #92 as of the Feb. 2014 rankings. Now he's #109. Sorry I don't have any data on the rankings in between.
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Fields moved down. He was at #92 as of the Feb. 2014 rankings. Now he's #109. Sorry I don't have any data on the rankings in between.
Dang some on here thought Fields was possibly going to a 5 star.
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Old 08-20-2014, 01:23 PM   #1314
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All of our guys in the Rivals 250 but 1, Nunez I believe, dropped in the rankings.
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Old 08-20-2014, 01:33 PM   #1315
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Clemson had three of the biggest risers out of anyone.

Blackshear had just about the largest drop, to boot.
to be fair I haven't read of any camps in which he may have participated, maybe you have. Last I read he is recuping from a series of injuries both during and following last season. someone can confirm or correct. the others I have no idea for the group drop, almost gives weight to the charge of conspiring :) WVP
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Dang some on here thought Fields was possibly going to a 5 star.
everybody on here always thinks our guys will move up
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All of our guys in the Rivals 250 but 1, Nunez I believe, dropped in the rankings.
This was expected, right? At least we see a consistent pattern. However, I see that pattern changing after this season...JS
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to be fair I haven't read of any camps in which he may have participated, maybe you have. Last I read he is recuping from a series of injuries both during and following last season. someone can confirm or correct. the others I have no idea for the group drop, almost gives weight to the charge of conspiring :) WVP
Nah you are spot on, he has been/was hurt (from what I know) and didn't attend camps. That's where you rise. Nothing surprising really.
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Nah you are spot on, he has been/was hurt (from what I know) and didn't attend camps. That's where you rise. Nothing surprising really.
For these camps does the recruit pay to attend them?

If they're committed and secure in that then there's no reason to go to camps. I'd think camps were primarily for the purpose of getting noticed by colleges, and going to colleges and camping there (once invited) would be a better option vs. recruiting service camps.
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For these camps does the recruit pay to attend them?

If they're committed and secure in that then there's no reason to go to camps. I'd think camps were primarily for the purpose of getting noticed by colleges, and going to colleges and camping there (once invited) would be a better option vs. recruiting service camps.
There's absolutely reason to go to these camps. It's like AAU basketball. Play against the best, get better against the best, get used to speed of the college game, etc. It's a HUGE benefit to go to camps
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